Islamic origins

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. The Jesus character authorizes mass murder when people don't stick with him. So, the Popes were acting in accordance with Jesus's dictate. Besides, the Bible has numerous stories where the God character approves of mass murder for religious reasons. It is in accordance with the real first Commandment.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are assuming that all of the text accurately represents the Jesus Character - but more importantly - where does Jesus authorize mass murder of people that do not stick with him ?
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    As it says in John 15:6 (NKJV) = ) "6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
     
  4. Gelecski7238

    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Quran was developed in three stages. The second is worse than the first, and the third is worse than the second.
     
  5. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    I don’t even know what this means....
     
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    Your knowledge about this matter is vastly insufficient. You could learn a lot from Dr. Bill Warner.


    The Quran is 3 books of different sizes and various time periods, i.e. Koran 14%, Sira 26%, and Hadith 60%.

    Jihad content is Mecca Koran 0%, Medina Koran 24%, Sira 64% (another chart shows 67%), Hadith 21%.

    The Quran is very dualistic. It's OK to be peaceful with the Kafir/Dhimmi and it's OK to be harmful, oppressive, dominant, and even lethal to same. The ultimate goal is 100% Islam.

    The Quran has more content concerning what to do about non-believers and believers of other faiths than the scriptures of any other major religion. Overall about 51% concerning the Kafir.

    Overall anti-Jew content of the Quran trilogy is 9%. Hitler's Mein Kamf is 7%.
     
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  7. Goomba

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    Lol, this is a pretty dumb post. The Hadiths have nothing to do with the Qur’an, neither the Sirah. The Hadiths are alleged sayings of the Prophet that were compiled many years after the death of the Prophet, way before the Quran was fully revealed.

    The Seerah is simply a biography of the life of the Prophet, and so I have no clue how you managed to conclude that it’s “part of the Quran.”
     
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  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Do you think that Mohammed used numbered chapters and verses?

    Have you ever wondered why English architects design most of the mosques?
     
  9. Goomba

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    No, Muhammad just recited the verses. It was his companions who prefaced the verses with chapters in compiling the Qur'an after his death.

    Enlighten me.
     
  10. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    That is so silly. The Bible came out with numbered chapters and verses well before the Koran. You couldn't produce an original Koran with numbered chapters and verse in it if you got Mecca as the prize.

    Just like typical Christians, you know very little about your religion. Google who designed most of the recent mosques around the world.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Gallipoli_Mosque

    Designed by Glenn Murcutt and Hakan Elevli as “perhaps the first truly contemporary Australian mosque”, it is supported by an exhibition dedicated to its design at the National Gallery of Victoria (Architecture of Faith).
    The Australian Mosque | ArchitectureAU

    Research
    who designed the other recent mosques around the world.
     
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    What’s your point?

    Lol, IDGAF who constructs mosques. The business of construction is one thing, dogma is another.
     
  12. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The point is that non-believers design a lot of mosques so maybe they wrote the Koran as well.
     
  13. Goomba

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    Right, and lots of Indians work in American convenience stores, so maybe they wrote the Constitution...
     
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    Lol . He just said if anyone isnt saved by finding the kingdom that person withers and is no more. He is not saved from destruction.

    But it isnt other people that kills them . These people self destruct by their own free will.

    No where does christ tell people to kill one another. Like the god of the Jews and Muslims.
     
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    So you're more of an expert on the Quran than Dr. Bill Warner.
     
  16. Goomba

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    Yes, as he’s noting but an uneducated Islam-basher masquerading as an expert.
     
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    An uneducated physicist who adheres to the collection of numerical facts about the contents in question. You sure know how to present phony arguments.
     
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    My understanding is that the Jews say they are God's "Chosen People" or his "Chosen Sons".

    Mind, they do not see this designation as in any way a privilege but rather a burden. Jews are enjoined to live such blameless and good lives that all the rest of mankind will want to emulate them
    (And it's not really supposed to be a burden, they have to take joy in it. Unusual people, no, who have being happy as a commandment?
     
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    He gets the basics wrong. He should stick to physics.
     
  20. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Nope, space aliens from Jupiter wrote the Constitution.

    Do you know who formatted the Koran into numbered chapters and verses like the Bible and when it was done? When you find out you can resume posting about the Koran.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Isn't it a shame that all Gods are imaginary?
     
  22. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Do you even know what you wrote?

    "The Hadiths are alleged sayings of the Prophet that were compiled many years after the death of the Prophet, way before the Quran was fully revealed."

    You first clause makes sense but the second clause doesn't.
    http://quran-islam.org/articles/part_1/history_hadith_1_(P1148).html
     
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    No it is a shame that one side says god exists without the ability to have such certainty while the other side says god does not exist without the means to have certainty.
     
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    I believe that Islam was inspired by Satan to counter Christianity.
     

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