Why is Mitch McConnell refusing to subpoena any documents and witnesses?

History says otherwise ............

The Senate always calls witness and work to get to the Truth

We'll see if they Lose their souls over Trump

 

I knew Trump's fans would not respond to this post.

Un-freaking-believable! Trump's lawyers are lying to the Senate. The truth is known even to Joe Sixpack and Mary Wonderful. How can the chief justice of the supreme court allow these lies?

Answer: The fix is in.

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone said, “The proceedings took place in the basement of the House of Representatives. Not even [House Intelligence Committee chair Adam] Schiff’s Republican colleagues were allowed into the SCIF”—the Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility where the interviews took place.

There was equal representation between the Democrats and Republicans.

In Sekulow’s opening statement, he said Trump “was denied the right to cross-examine witnesses” during the House inquiry.

In fact, the White House declined to do so.

Mitch and the Senate Republicans are forgetting the American people will have the final say in this matter.

 

President Donald Trump and his lawyers will not participate in a congressional impeachment hearing this week, the White House has said, citing a lack of “fundamental fairness”.

White House counsel Pat Cipollone wrote to committee chairman Jerrold Nadler, according to a copy of a letter seen by Reuters: “We cannot fairly be expected to participate in a hearing while the witnesses are yet to be named and while it remains unclear whether the judiciary committee will afford the president a fair process through additional hearings.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...d-his-lawyers-refuse-to-attend-unfair-hearing

In other words, Trump denied his own defense, not the House.

 

In denying witnesses and documents, Trump did not use executive privilege, not once.

What I find interesting is that most of Trump's fans are smart enough not to use the arguments made by Trump's lawyers or the foolish arguments made by Fox News commentators and guests. On Fox, their asinine comments go unchallenged by the likes of Trace Gallagher, Sean Hannity, and the like. On PF, Trump's fans would have to answer for the ludicrous arguments made by Fox.

 

Because it would not apply. Mulvaney already made public statements, for example. He just needs to be asked under oath if they are factual. There is no privilege to refuse to answer that.

And I've tried to show them some of those arguments to ask their opinion in other threads. They even deny that the attorneys are making them. But I'm not sure if their in denial or they are just unaware.

 

Trump's supporters have a severe handicap and they know it. Their hero is guilty. Then there is this. Another matter they choose to ignore. What if they get their wish?

Close your eyes and imagine this. Trump invited foreign interference in our Presidential election again -- the first time in 2016. Trump tried to bribe a foreign leader. Trump completely ignores Congress (Obstruction of Congress). Trump is declared innocent of all charges by the Republican Senate.

Trump is elected to another four years in office without the concerns of reelection which dominated his persona since Jan. 21, 2017 the first time.

He would be the most powerful man on the planet, and he would be unleashed. Already he ignores the American people. Answering only to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and "Fox and Friends," he avoids press conferences and the White House press corps. Now we add Congress to the list. He will simply ignore what our representatives do and say. Already, Trump has hijacked the power of the purse, thanks to a complicit Congress.

He will rule with complete impunity for four more years (or more). That is the power the Senate will give him, and why? Because they are scared of Trump's base.

The irony is, I don't think his base will like what will happen. They don't want it to happen.

But they enabled it! The real Pandora's Box. The real be careful what you wish for! Does McConnell really want this?

 

Still with the dem clown show narrative with zero proof and nonsense conspiracy theories. You certainly are gullible.

 

The Senate is not continuing the "investigation" the House failed to do.

 

Trump learned from his Grandfather and then Father Lying is ok and you'll likely get away with it

He'll prove it to his children and Laugh how he Lied throughout his Presidency with No consequences

 

His base is in a trance. They don't have a "will" anymore. They just go along with whatever the idol says. That's how the worst dictatorships in history have come to exist. Polling I've been doing show that most don't care if Trump is guilty, they don't care if Moscow Mitch trashes the process of impeachment and the Constitution, they don't care for patriotism... they don't even care if big government dictates their lives, so long as that government is Trump's

 

They don't need to make a legal case, or... for that matter, any case of any kind. They just need to give Republicans senators an excuse to do what we all knew since the beginning they would do: acquit Trump.

They're betting that it won't be the American people. They're betting that it will be Putin who will have the final say. And once the Senate has given Trump the green light to continue cheating, who knows how many others... including more world leaders... they'll be able to muscle into "cooperating".

 

Actually, the House is nothing like a grand jury. Mostly because they're the House of Representatives and the Constitution gives them absolute power over impeachment. But, besides that, a grand jury doesn't call witnesses or investigate. They simply consider the information presented to them.

You really need to quit trying to remake the Constitution to fit your wishes. The House got to do whatever they wanted, however they want. I'm new but I'll bet money you didn't have a single complaint with how Schiff or Nadler did their jobs, even when they purposely violated House rules to do it. So don't, now, start complaining about how the Senate exercises their absolute authority.

 

He wasn't impeached for bribery. Certainly you agree that if there was evidence of bribery the House would have impeached him for it, considering that they impeached him for far lesser accusations with no evidence for those, either.

 

No matter what he said, those conversations and documents are protected by executive privilege.

"The White House points out to reporters that President George W. Bush asserted executive privilege six times, while Bill Clinton did so in 14 instances."

Bill Clinton 14 times................

 

No they're not! There is no such thing as a privilege to keep secret things that were already made public! Mulvaney, for example, already admitted publicly to a quid pro quo, and that the aid to Ukraine was held in part because of a conspiracy theory (now debunked) There cannot be a claim of executive privilege on claims that are already public. He needs to clarify it.

 

I can see you are as concerned as I am. I agree with everything you say. Trump, Trump Republicans, and Trump's fans are tearing this country apart, and Putin could not be more pleased.

They can't even defend Trump. Mostly because he is guilty. They just ignore the evidence and pretend it doesn't exist.

 

Actually, it is.

That's right, and, similar to a grand jury, impeachment is an indictment. The House does not determine guilt or innocence. The Senate does that in a trial where evidence in the form of witnesses and documents are presented. Then the jurors, Senators, decide on guilt or innocence.

Your second sentence contradicted the first. Think about what you said.

Of course, a grand jury has witnesses and it investigates to determine if there is sufficient evidence of crime. If there is, they indict. If there isn't, they don't indict.

Much like the House in impeachment proceedings.

 

I'm sure you "think" Mulvaney admitted to it in public, but those on the left hear what they want to hear.

 

When he said, with respect to Don immorally withholding military aid an ally desperately needed, "we do that sort of thing all the time" (which isn't true when it comes to the other country satisfying a request to personally help the prez), it was an admission of the quid pro quo plain and simple.

 

It makes no difference what I think. He already spoke about it in public. If he wasn't admitting it, then he needed to clarify the fact under oath. Even if he refused to respond to any other question, there is no executive privilege for things that are already public.

 

How is that an admission of quid pro quo in this instance? He was making a blanket statement of opinion not facts relating to this case.

 

He made a generalized statement of opinion. Your quoting him lacks citation as well as he could have been talking about Biden doing just that. Anything specific between he and Trump would come under executive privilege no clarification necessary. It will be great to get Hunter and ole Joe under oath.

 

If that is the case, that's all he would have to say under oath to congress. There is no executive privilege that shelters him from doing that.

 

What you will hear from any of them is "on the advice of my attorney your question is a matter of national security which the President has exerted executive privilege". Get used to it you'll hear it a lot.

 

Great! Let's see them do that!

But, first, the President hasn't exerted executive privilege. And second, no attorney would be so stupid to not know that executive privilege doesn't apply to statements that were already made in public.