What is wrong with "slut shaming"?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Dayton3, Dec 29, 2019.

  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    The point made was that even in countries like mine, where ALL the Govt supplied institutions and assistances necessary for self-improvement exist, people still fail. All you can do is provide the tools, you can't force people to use them.
     
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    Which is great, considering. Plus you are comprehensively assisted by family.
     
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    How can any democratic govt compel people to use the tools provided? Because that is what you're suggesting, in refusing to accept personal agency.
     
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    WHY is this even a topic in a political forum????
     
  5. Dayton3

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    explained in the OP. Try reading it.
     
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    Wouldn't you know it, one side of the political divide is kind of uptight about sex, while the other side is rather liberal on the subject.
     
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    Yep. So true.
     
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    In USA, where the State does not care for people, they fail much more.
     
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    Thank G-d and my parents -- I have everything I need.
     
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    Good question. Actually based on the number of these type of threads, there probably should be a Dating and Relationships section.
     
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  11. Ritter

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    It really is not that black andwhite and your simplistic worldview is only serving to pollute the debate. Just because you vote Democrat, it does not mean you are an STD-infected manslut. Some Democrats are more reserved when it comes to sex than are some Republicans. Very few voters are principled followers of what they claim to believe in. Most people have a frontstage and a backstage and the only thing that really matters is what we do not see; the backstage.

    This is more of a cultural question than it is a political one and having to mix American politics into a sociological discussion is both desperate and vain.
     
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    Oh I don't know about that,
    consider,
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    Blessed be the fruit.
     
  13. Ritter

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    This is not about dating and relationships though. But, I do agree that there should be a Sociology and Anthropology section.
     
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    I agree with the first part 100% - its a bling bling world .. very superficial - not helped by the Iphone.

    The rest - somewhat - in some cases but not so much. The young generation still receives love - and the "Experimenting pop culture influence" is not as one might thing. Kids are getting drivers license later - having sex later - and I don't see pop culture as some monolith with respect to the idea that settling down is bad.
     
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  15. Ritter

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    In a sense, yes and in another, no. All of these are still symptoms of the same disease; namely over-sexualisation. The reason many young men and women are having sex later than previous generations is partially due to the fact that they are not getting married and partially due to the anxiety created by the highly sexual culture that they grew up in has generated. They are not having sex later because they are less promiscuous, but rather because society is more promiscuous putting tons of pressure on them and creating a dating market where very few men have access to all of the women. Which, in the longrun, is bad for the women as they realise that "Chad" only wanted them for sex and not for love when it is too late.

    Pop culture is definitely anti-marriage in how it represents marriage and how it glorifies "free sex".
     
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    Sounds rather jaded if you ask me. not sure what you mean by creating a dating market where very few men have access to all of the women ? No man has access to all women ? - and often these days its Chad who wants love and the woman just for boy toy. If Chad was not the right dude - fine a better one - this has always been true.

    In general men have far more access to potential suitors via the internet.
     
  17. Ritter

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    The loose sexual norms of today have resulted in hypergamy. It is now acceptable to sleep around and embracing the will of your inner ape to spread your genes as far as possible and this means that men will seek out as many sexual relationships as they can possibly have.

    When "Chad" has to pick only one chick, he will pick the "Cheerleader", but when he is free to choose whomever he wants, he will not care too much because "it is just sex anyways". Since he is a horny man, he will not care if his one-night-stand is a "4/10". Then, the "4/10" whom he and other "Chads" sleep with will think that she is on their level when she actually is it not which in turns leave the guys who are on her level without partners.


    Yes, women have always held the power of rejection. However, the market's supply-and-demand-curve is stabilised when there are healthy marital norms. Without them, the balance is disordered.

    Not true. All you need to do to find a potential suitor on social media as a female is to keep your dm-inbox open and post a few selfies. Even if you are overweight, you will get "invites" from hundreds of guys.

    Unless you look like Brad Pitt, you will not make much use of apps such as Tinder, PoF and whatnot as a man. Those apps are gross and useless anyways. Tinder inflates the value of a potential partner to the point that they are no longer worth more than a swipe of the finger and Plenty of Fish carries the horrible contotation that you should try out many partners and that there are many partners for everyne - I mean, you only need one and should only strive for one. You can throw your fishing net out at a random place in the ocean and you will certainly get fish; but most of it will be small, uneatable and probably even poisonous. If you want, say, salmon, you need to know where you throw your net (sorry for that awful analogy lol).
     
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    Sexual norms have been loose for quite some time - If anything they have tightened up over the last few decades - but, more to your point - I just don't see this as being responsible for the downfall of society in the way you do.

    One of the things that as contributed to a higher divorce rate is that women are no longer dependent on a men like they were "back in the day". Another factor is that people are not as religious as they used to be - and most of people that still maintain an active religious life do not buy into the divorce prohibitions.


    Not relative to women -. Men have more opportunities now than they had prior to the internet.
     
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    Their choice to not accept it. I'm more concerned with the people who would gladly accept it and live healthier, productive lives.
     
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    Sexual norms have tightened up? In what reality do you live to draw that conclusion?

    I will not share any of mine analysis on why divorce rates have snowballed because that is not what we are talking about here. The only way in which divorce is relevant to the discussion is in the way divorce affects children and here I believe that a child who grows up in a broken home will have no real image of true love and thus a fear and/or unwillingness to seek it out.

    On the dating-and-mating-market women have always had the upper hand as they are the gender who has the final say. This means that it has always been the case that a small amount of males compete for all the females. Marriage did help to store a normal and healthy balance though, but with marital norms dead and gone and with loose sexual attitudes, we are once again back at the ape stage where women are used solely for their sexuality.
     
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    Sexual Norms HAVE been loose for quite awhile, especially since the late 60's. Before that society was just better at hiding it.
     
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    That is exactly my argument if you read all of my posts.
     
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    You make too many generalizations - and the "Used solely for their sexuality" comment is right out of the Nazi Feminist playbook. It is an argument from silliness. Men like sex - Fact. Is that all that women viewed as useful for by men ? some perhaps - but these are idiots and I do not generalize the actions of idiots to a whole population.
     
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    Claiming an argument is one of silliness is not an argument.I am not a Nazi and I am not a Feminist.

    I really do not understand the modern insanity of turning shame into virtue - Orwellian Newspeak terms such as "Slut Shaming" and "Fat Shaming" are actually not negative phenomenons at all. Being a slut is bad because it is a behaviour that does not only embody all of the deadly sins, but also because it is bad for the individual on both a physical- as well as on a mental level. The same applies to being obese. When these behaviours are normalised, they impose a negative cost on society as whole; both on a social level and on a economic level.

    It is not about encouraging bullying and blatant personal attacks. It is about disencouraging sloppiness, disrespectfulness, hedonism and barbarianism.

    There is a reason that Judeo-Christian doctrine categorises behaviours into sins and viritues. Even if you are not religious it should be easy to tell that these make complete biological and sociological sense; No one can deny that abstinence, equanimity, benevolence, persistence, compassion and modesty fosters a healthy individual, healthy relationships and a well-functioning society.

    And if you like sex, the answer is to find a lifelong partner since that gives you lifelong sex.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with shaming sexual behavior that is destructive towards building trust among people in a community; I personally condemn such behavior, not through 'preaching" but through criticism in conversation. But alas, in a society that turns away from morality, promiscuous behaviors are accepted by the majority, that is unless it happens to those that accept and support the behaviors. It also branches into other behavioral characteristics such as honesty and integrity.
     
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