Why is Mitch McConnell refusing to subpoena any documents and witnesses?

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    First he will and second he will simply say he was generalizing on what all past administrations have done. The only gotcha moments will come from Joe and Hunter Biden.
     
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    What part are you not understanding? He can say whatever the heck he wants! But let's see him say it under oath.

    That's why Trump and Mitch won't allow witnesses. Because they know that there is a chance that, under oath, witnesses might feel the urge to tell the truth. And that would really hurt Trump.
     
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    Trump dangled a White House visit for Zelensky if he announced an investigation into Trump's chief rival, Joe Biden.

    Trump hosted Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at the White House on May 10, 2017. In addition to Lavrov, Trump shook hands with Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak.

    Trump met with Russia’s top diplomat, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, in the Oval Office on Dec. 10, 2019.

    Trump has met with the foreign minister of a hostile government twice at the White House. The hostile government is an aggressor nation, Russia, that is at war with Ukraine and annexed a part of that country, Crimea, in 2014.

    Trump has never had a White House meeting with the representatives of our ally, Ukraine.

    What does that tell you about Trump?
     
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    Bribery is incorporated in the first article, "Abuse of Power." That article explains the hold on the military aid on Trump's orders and the subsequent incentive for the "favor" Trump wanted from Zelensky. Bribery is explained in detail. Put a different way, Presidential bribery of a foreign leader is "Abuse of Power."

    Trump incriminated himself. This is a quote directly from the July 25 phone call, and it comes soon after Trump said, “I would like you to do us a favor, though.” That statement comes right after Zelensky expressed interest in buying Javelin missiles. This is what Trump said.

    Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I jtist want to_let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

    Trump's chief of staff admitted to quid pro quo.

    “What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted the reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html

    After the July 25 phone call with Zelensky, as he usually does, Trump doubled down by asking again for foreign intervention in our elections. On Oct. 3, in a news conference on the White House lawn, he called on Ukraine and China to look into his chief rival's affairs, Joe Biden.

    “If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

    “They should investigate the Bidens,” Trump said. “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-calls-for-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens.html
     
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    Well, Mitch is on a tight schedule

    12:30 - 3:30pm All you can eat Buffet at the Golden Dragon
    4:00- 7:30pm: Finger Nail and Foot Manicure
    8:00-9:30 pm: VIP Dinner and Dessert fundraiser
    10:00-11:30: Special Client physical therapy
    12:00-1am Denny’s Breakfast at undisclosed location while in disguise
    1:30am-2am Arrive home via underground tunnel
     
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    Trump's chief of staff admitted to quid pro quo in the July 25 phone call.

    “What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted the reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html
     
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    Such crapola. Schumer turned down a deal Bolton testifies in exchange for Biden's. So I guess you'll never know.

    Forty-six percent of Americans say they would like their senators to vote to convict Trump and remove him from office, while 51% want their senators to vote against conviction so Trump will remain as president.

    This stunt will cost the Democrats the House as well as seats in the Senate.
     
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    No where did Mulvaney say the money was in exchange for investigating Biden. That's the made up connection. But Mulvaney was right the Government does it all the time.......



    Here's ole Joe doing the same thing, the difference is Joe wanted the prosecutor investigating the company paying his son $80k a MONTH fired. Fancy that.
     
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    Do I want to know the crap that you read on Russian bot retweets?
     
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    Show me a single case where a grand jury called a witness. Prosecutors present witnesses, the grand jury doesn't call them. I already posted the statement by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court stating explicitly that the Senate is NOT a jury and he instructed the House managers in the Clinton trial to stop referring to them as a jury. They're not a jury.

    Your argument about the House would make the House prosecutor and grand jury. Just like a prosecutor in a court can't indict on their own, a grand jury cannot prosecute. So it's not possible for the House to be like both any more than it is like one or the other. The House is the House. No more, no less. The Senate tries the impeachment. Not like a court, not like a jury, but like the Senate - however they choose to do it.

    Talking heads on both sides of the aisle continue to try to equate them to prosecutor, grand jury, court, judge, jury, but they have to twist their tongues in bizarre ways to support their soundbites. The House does its job exactly how they choose. The Senate does its job exactly how it chooses with the only exceptions being that the Senate must be sworn in (no exact oath specified) and that the Chief Justice must preside. There are absolutely no other rules other than the rules that each house chooses for itself. The House did it's part how it wanted - in spite of previously agreed upon rules, and now the Senate can do whatever it chooses - though they seem to be at least following their agreed upon rules.
     
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    Please quote law or the Constitution to support that there is no executive privilege for things that are already public. It's actually an unsupported opinion on your part and makes no sense from any legal standpoint.
     
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    The oath to swear to tell the truth has been made meaningless since Bill Clinton took the oath then lied in front of a Federal Grand Jury, then attempted to tamper with a potential witness. Both felonies by the way and walked away with a slap on the wrist. Yet the Democrat Senate acquitted him anyway. Trump hasn't even violated any laws. What a Circus. I think the Democrats will lose at least 15 - 18 seats in the House of the 31 Democrats in districts Trump won in 2016. In the Senate I think the Democrats will lose 3 seats of the 6 that are in states Trump won in 2016.

    Below is a Post Office Supervisor who tried the same thing and lost Bigly.

    Two similar situations, two very different outcomes. One gets a virtual slap on the wrist, the other is scolded with "one of the most troubling things in our society today is people who raise their hand, take the oath to tell the truth and then fail to do that....This, I hope, is sufficient punishment for you."
     
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    The better question is, why are you wasting your time on this impeachment stuff? It's not going anywhere. Nobody cares. Average Americans are doing well under Trump and are going on with their lives. They've been bombarded with outlandish claims by the left ever since Trump was elected. They're burned out and tuned out. You didn't know that? Here's something else you probably don't know; Trump is going to easily win re-election in November.
     
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    The left doesn't believe in equal application of the law and, hence, they don't believe in law.
     
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    Do you even know what executive privilege is? Obviously not. You need to learn the most basic things on your own. Nobody is here to hold your hand on something this basic.
     
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    Whatever it is, it's not going to exonerate Trump from the fact that he attempted to cheat in the elections and he is obstructing Congress' investigation. Therefore it's irrelevant.
     
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    Trump cares. He's tweeting about it like crazy. Republicans here care. You care.... You and them are desperately trying to find something that might conceivably excuse your "idol" from the abuse of power that he has committed.

    Oh yeah.... I absolutely do know. Much easier to win elections when you cheat. Just ask.... Trump in 2016. I'm happy you are helping us spread that message so Democrats don't fall asleep like they did back then thinking it was "in the bag"
     
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    Enjoy the next 5 years of Trump.
     
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    The law is only useful against those they don't like.
     
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    If Biden did what he bragged about doing, that would constitute an abuse of office as the Vice President. Being a rival candidate doesn't make any abuses and law breaking by him while VP above the law. Trump asked Zelenskyy to coordinate with the US Attorney General, NOT his campaign. If Biden didn't do it then there may be a case for political gain. But we won't know unless the Senate investigates during Trumps trial in the Senate. Testimony from the Biden's, Chris Heinz, Devon Archer and Adam Schiff as well as depositions by Zelensky and Shokin will be key to determining whether Trump was legitimately going after corruption or seeking to damage a political rival.
     
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    Trump asked Zelensky to coordinate with his personal attorney.

    Trump was not going after corruption. Neither legitimately or illegitimately. He was after Zelenski making an announcement to benefit his campaign.

    Even if Biden were guilty of... who-knows-what (nobody has even stated what that could be). How would that prove in any way that Trump was after corruption?

    And if they call Biden, and it becomes clear that he didn't do anything illegal. Does that, in your mind, mean that Trump was definitely not after corruption?
     

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