Why aren't Crooked Donald's lawyers contesting the facts?

The narrative is unproven. All the House has is conjecture, hearsay, and presumption. Nothing that would stand up in any court of law.

 

They had no evidence for dozens and the first is an opinion, the second is for the executive standing up for the constitutional separation of powers. Face it, the House was in a hurry and screwed up royally by not subpoenaing witnesses or documents.

 

I don't think Trump did anything illegal, including having his personal attorney going snooping. I think that was the worst decision for "appearances" though, just like Biden should have recused himself from point-person in Ukraine and/or had Hunter quit the job at the corrupt gas company. Having both Biden's in powerful positions in the Ukraine "looks bad" even if the activities were legally above board. Similarly, sending Rudy just "looks bad" even if legal.

The House has alleged that Trump's motivations to investigate were "personal", not for the interests of the country. Having Rudy snooping around certainly has that appearance, whereas when Trump asked Zelensky to contact the U.S. Attorney General to talk about the investigation it seemed very appropriate.

I do think Trump cares very much about uncovering what happened in Ukraine during the Obama administration. I also think he decided Zelensky was an ally, a fellow-fighter of corruption within the established political-elite class. Much of it does link into Democrats trying to destroy his 2016 odds and influence the outcome of the previous election, which is of course "personal". But he also promised supporters to expose exactly that type of political corruption as well as any other political graft, which gives him a dual-motivation about keeping promises he made to his base.

Anyway, here we are. The prosecution is trying to prove that Trump's motivations were personal and not in the interests of the country. There is a mix of motives. However, the actual House charges are that Trump's actions were done to impact the future 2020 election. There is no proof or evidence of that. The most he deserves is a Senate censure vote.

 

"No question that Trump is guilty of misconduct and errors in judgement. I don't know anyone that denies that."

Trump does.

 

If you believe Trump was actually “standing up for the constitutional separation of powers” and not for his own substantial rump you believe this guy can do anything with impunity and are totally blind to his narcissistic self serving agenda. Trump does nothing that doesn’t benefit him personally, any fool can see that. The guy has zero clue about the Constitution. But far be it for me to burst your bubble.

 

Depends on the test you are taking but I the context of what I was responding it implicates a crime.

 

Obviously Trump doesn't care about appearances. He flaunts that lack of care. He is not really a politician. He is a businessman operating in a political environment.

I agree. It is investigation he doesn't care about, not Ukraine.

It could be true. It may not be true. The point is that Trump was impeached for opinions about his motives. He is the only one who knows his motives.

 

The Dems aren't listening anymore it's been repeated over and over and over and over and there's nothing there. And when the Democrats are insulting the Republicans to the point they are complaining to the Chief Justice...

 

The President is not charged with a crime in the articles of impeachment and it you want to go your road when do we charge Clinton and members if her campaign and the DNC with treason. And when did investigating probable cause of corruption, corruption even the Obama administration was concerned about, become treason?

 

Correct so stop denying, did not testify to an impeachable offense.

 

The assertion against Trump is ANY withholding of Congressionally appropriated money violated the law. Ukraine received the aid during the appropriate time frame. And Biden actually extorted Ukraine with a direct threat. Ukraine never even knew about the delay wig Trump.

 

Nope and neither did Ukraine because there never was one.

 

So..........when you deny Mulvaney admitted to a qpq even though he is on tape doing so I'm sure you can understand why we accuse Trumpette's of being in denial.

 

Senate GOP Is Coming Around To The Idea That What Trump Did Was Okay
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...ound-to-the-idea-that-what-trump-did-was-okay

"We’re three days into the impeachment trial, and Senate Republicans have begun floating their “what President Trump did was okay” trial balloon.

For the most part, they’re still avoiding weighing in directly about the Trump conduct House managers have described, and instead have thrown around procedural complaints or claims about how the Trump administration’s Ukraine policy has been stronger than the Obama’s.

But listen closely to the main themes in their reactions to the House’s meticulously built case. What you’ll hear being shaped is a defense that accepts that Trump mounted a secret pressure campaign to force a Ukrainian investigation into his 2020 rival and a defense that concludes that such an effort was permissible."
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Just as I've been saying. The House manager's presentations have put Repubs in a box. Denial is no longer viable unless you deny the facts completely...........making the "so what" defense more popular.

 

Well it may be on hold since the Dems are trying to remove the president over it. That being said it is being started in the Senate now. We don't know whatbinvestigations are going on in Durham's office and as I posted earlier Ukraine has been treating it with kid gloves because of the impeachment. The fact remains we need a full investigating. As you guys like to frame it if the Biden's are innocent then what are they afraid of they should welcome it.

 

His crimes were in a federal court and a federal grand jury. Trump has committed no crime here.

 

Quote the federal statute in the articles of impeachment.

 

Point taken. The call was perfect.

 

He did, but it isn't necessary.

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job (as president) in this constitutional republic if this body determines your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” Graham says of Clinton in the nearly 20-year-old clip.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article217126395.html

 

Right...........except for the self-serving extortion, the violations of law, and the abuse of power. Perfect, except for those things.

Why did a perfect call with nothing to hide end up being hidden in a code level secret server?

White House lawyer moved transcript of Trump call to classified server after Ukraine adviser raised alarms
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0fbdb6-fb4e-11e9-8190-6be4deb56e01_story.html

Moments after President Trump ended his phone call with Ukraine’s president on July 25, an unsettled national security aide rushed to the office of White House lawyer John Eisenberg. Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine adviser at the White House, had been listening to the call and was disturbed by the pressure Trump had applied to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate his political rivals, according to people familiar with Vindman’s testimony to lawmakers this week.

Vindman told Eisenberg, the White House’s legal adviser on national security issues, that what the president did was wrong, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. Scribbling notes on a yellow legal pad, Eisenberg proposed a step that other officials have said is at odds with long-standing White House protocol: moving a transcript of the call to a highly classified server and restricting access to it.

 

Out of curiosity, on what basis are you concluding that he doesn't care about the investigation? Have you considered any alternative explanations for him wanting a public declaration of intent to investigate?

 

He didn't, the Democrats did not accuse him in the articles if a crime.

 

He said QPQ happen in foreign relations ALL THE TIME so the whole idea is ridiculous. Biden enaged in a QPQ if he is elected shall we then impeach him? And the fact remains there was no qpq here, Ukraine got the military aid the Obama administration had denied them and there was no reciprocal investigation.

 

Of course, they have no regard for facts. They will keep repeating their fake narratives, forever.

 

You being the expert and not in the house know exactly what the story is. There were no federal crimes when the constitution was written. There were crimes against the people. But, he’s the gop’s guy....just like the criminals before him.