When Obama was President, the right argued that the Constitution limited the power of Government.

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    That's not an argument that is being made, except in your head, to argue with yourself, on a public forum
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    How? They'll throw Constitutions at him until he stops?

    Accusing him of breaking the law is what criminal courts, not impeachment courts, are for.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh for heaven's sake... the wingnut media hasn't told you that Dershowitz will be in their "impeachment team"?

    One always assumes that people are, at a minimum, moderately informed.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Your head is very creative.
    Kudos for the argument it has thought up
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    RodB said:
    ...... I know you cringe when Obama is mentioned because it must be painful, but for explanation Obama clearly violated the Abuse of Office statute during the Benghazi episode.
    I'm not sure if this is a response to my Obama accusation, but if you want my rationale it is that Obama had the guy who made the video that Obama deflected the blame for the Benghazi attack onto arrested and jailed.

    As it relates to Trump Derschowitz says that there is abuse of power and then there is abuse of power; one might be impeachable, the other clearly not. The problem with abuse of power is that there is no law against it and there can never be a law against it per se because it is purely subjective and nebulous. The framers would have had a problem with abuse of power for the same reason they had a problem with and rejected maladministration. It is like having a law against "being a bad person." Abuse of Office is a constitutional law because it is explicitly defined, and, BTW, does not describe anything Trump did.
     
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    They'll take it to the SCOTUS.


    Well then tell the Democrats that and that they should stop accussing him.
     
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    It most definitely does. Unless you wish to retract your statement that "Obama clearly violated the Abuse of Office statue" OR demonstrate this "clarity" you speak of in reference to a case that has been the subject of ten... yes ten investigation, including six Republican congressional investigations and including one of the longest (longer than Watergate, the JFK assassination, Perl Harbor, ...), costliest and most partisan Congressional investigations in History. Not a single one of which found anything (much less "clearly", as you said) criminal actions or culpability related to the case.

    Wrong! You wish that's what he meant. But Dershowitz went out of his way to make it clear that he didn't.

    The question Ari Melber asks right before the part of the video that is on the OP is

    Melber: "Certainly one could imagine an abuse of power that would meet the standard. I'm sure we can agree on that in theory."
    Dherschowitz: "No!. Actually we don't agree on that!"

    Why are you in denial! There is no need.

    This is the complete interview if you want to verify. The interview is about 12 minutes long. The relevant part starts around 2:50

     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    To this SCOTUS? Even if they ruled against him, if he's allowed to abuse power by the Senate, what keeps him from packing SCOTUS?

    Democrats are not accusing him criminally. They're impeaching him.

    Are you understanding anything about what is going on? Certainly doesn't look like you are.
     
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    With the level of knowledge a large percentage of Americans have I'm surprised America has lasted this long.
     
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    The tell the Democrats and TDSers here to stop talking about crimes. And he IS impeached this is about removing from office are you understanding anything about what is going on. Certainly doesn't look like you are. Maybe get up to speed before you try to get snarky.
     
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    Says all but 3 democrats.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well... I think Americans are smarter than you think. But they did elect Trump. So I guess this is not the best moment in history to try to make that case....
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Talking about crimes is not the same as accusing him criminally.

    Never mind.... what I said on my previous post is obviously true
     
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    No, they're not.

    This thread is evidence of that.
     
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    Yea it is when they are claiming he should be removed for criminal acts.
     
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    So????? I doubt those investigations were interested in a misdemeanor charge that they couldn't bring against a sitting president anyway -- assuming they even knew about it. Nor were they looking for any and every reason under the sun to impeach as the House has done and has included Abuse of Office, which does not jive with the statute in the least, in their Articles of Impeachment. Though the Articles bounce around between Abuse of Office and Power presumably trying to cover all bases, still searching for something -- anything -- that might stick.
     
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    Maybe Congress should subscribe to WND and Breitbart and... all those fake news places where you get this crap, instead of actually carrying out all these investigations. It would save a lot of taxpayer money, and they would get better results.

    So many crimes Trump commits... so little time....
     

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