Right to repair.

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  1. Thehumankind

    Thehumankind Well-Known Member

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    You have a very good point there, like nowadays most of the cars on the street do have EFI's which I suppose do have a lot of surprises or in your terms booby traps when it comes to DIY's repair.
     
  2. Polydectes

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    No, I am arguing for a free market.
    No that eliminates a free market for repairs and services.
    but you are not free to have your property serviced anywhere.

    When you take away the ability to have your property serviced on the free market you have taken away a free market.
    I don't know why I have to keep repeating this it's like a brick wall not talking about opening up software I'm just talking about not putting in ransomware.

    that doesn't require you to open up an offer your software please quit trying to push that straw man.
    I'm sorry I just don't agree with your definition that a free market is as many regulations as you want as long as they're not made by the government. That in no way means free market.
     
  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No you are supporting communism. you're the one saying the person who buys the product doesn't really own it the company does.

    You're arguing against individual ownership.

    If I can't access repair data on my property I don't really own it and it's not mine. That's communism.

    So you're calling the kettle black here buddy.
     
  4. Polydectes

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    Well not really it's just finicky and you have to know what you're doing to fix it correctly. If anybody can get the knowledge how to fix it correctly then it's not what I'm talking about if the only people allowed to have the knowledge to fix it correctly or at all are people who directly work for the company so that the company can charge you 20 times what the Jobs worth then it's a problem.

    I understand cars have become complicated and because of that most people these days don't really know how to fix them. But in all reality it's just about getting the information and it's out there.
     
  5. Thehumankind

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    Yeah I agree and the software necessary should also be provided.
     
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    I’m not disagreeing with your aim. Just your use of the term free market. I think you need to look it up.

    “Free market” means free from government interference. You want the government to interfere by regulating the manufacturers. That is a regulated market, not a free market.

    By all means, argue in favor of allowing consumers to get their products serviced anywhere. Just don’t say that it would be a result of a “free market“. As soon as government steps in, it is no longer a free market.

    Seriously, before you respond again, spend some time looking at the definition of free market.
     
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    You're welcome
     
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    I disagree with your definition of free market.
    Give me a free market would have to be a market that is free.
     
  10. Polydectes

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    Well if you buy a code reader, the software necessary to communicate with an OBD2 is built into it.

    Give me an OBD2 scanner is just a tool. If you do repairs on your own car you have to buy your own tools.
     
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    Strictly speaking, a free market economy is one in which prices for goods and services are set entirely by supply and demand without any intervention by government.
    This can lead to undesirable social outcomes, which is why governments often regulate markets. For example, standards for food; requiring cars to have seatbelts.
    You want another layer of regulation. I’m not saying you are wrong to want it, just wrong to say that more regulation results in a free market.
    Seriously, research the term free market economy. I’m trying to help you.
     
  12. Polydectes

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    Still gotta say a free market is a market that is free.
     
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    Free from what?

    Where goods and services are free? No. Free market means free from government intervention.

    Did you take my suggestion and actually do some research about the meaning of the term free market economy?

    What you want is a regulated economy, precisely because a completely free market often results in socially undesirable outcomes.

    Maybe I’m wrong but I suspect you consider yourself very pro-free market. Very conservative/right wing.
    You abhor the idea of government regulation - you think that socialism is a stepping stone to communism and it would shatter your self image to think that your values are not as absolute as you believe them to be. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but you are arguing for a regulated economy, not a free market. It sounds as if you don’t like this revelation, but it is true.
     
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  14. Polydectes

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    Restriction.
     
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    Ok - but that is not the meaning of a free market economy.

    You really need to do some research.
     
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    I never mentioned anything about economy
    because you were talking about economy in a thread that had nothing to do with it?
     
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    You’re talking about the price of goods and services. That IS the economy.
    The phrase “free market” refers to a free market economy.

    You want the market to be regulated by the government, to force manufacturers to do things that, in a free market, they aren’t doing.

    I’m not saying you’re wrong to ask for that, but intellectual honesty demands that you recognise that you’re asking for government regulation - not a free market.
     
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  18. Polydectes

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    I'm not talking about economy.
     
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    That’s what the phrase “free market” refers to. So when yo use that phrase you are either talking about the economy or you are mis-using the phrase.

    I’ve tried to be helpful and educate you about what a free market is. Apparently it is more important for you to cling to your fantasy that your position is a “free market” position than to learn something.

    Carry on. If you don’t want my help, I’m out.
     
  20. Polydectes

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    you should be able to tell by context and of course by several direct explanations that that's not what I was referring to.
     
  21. AKS

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    It's not hard. If you are railing for government intervention you are not for a free market.
     
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    If your railing for a restricted market you are not for a free market.
     
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    Do you think that's what I'm doing? smh.
     
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    No. What I'm saying is right to repair is removing restrictions on the repair and service market. It's not making any.
     
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    I'm aware of your mental gymnastics, I've read the entire thread. The fact is, I can manufacture a product in which you cannot repair yourself. You have the right to not buy it. If you disagree with this then you aren't a free market guy. Sorry.
     
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