Why Trump is the keystone, and what the left really fears

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by spiritgide, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. MississippiMud

    MississippiMud Well-Known Member

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    Im not at all shocked by the viciousness. It has been building since at least the Clinton years. Trump has just accelerated the process simple by being exactly who i knew him to be. I had hope he might, but never expected him to change.

    I used to think that most who went into politics on the national level did so with right intentions. That is what i wanted to believe anyway. Perhaps some still do. Once the party shows them how the game is played and all the wonderful benefits right intentions give way to self preservation.

    Im not confident anymore that change can happen slowly. Slow change would be more likely for the worse than the better. Better is subjective, my better is the other guys worse. Not to say that abrupt change would be better. It would be a roll of the dice. Easy for me to say go ahead and roll em. At my age i don't have that much to loose. I warn my kids, careful with what you "think" you want and consider what you will have to give up. There will be a cost. There will be unintended consequences. Some can be anticipated, same will surprise you.

    Over the last 25 years ... im still waiting for the surprise.
     
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    Had Obama been allowed to serve a third term, Trump would still just be the clown harping on about Obama's birth certificate.

    It should tell you something, that Obama is still more popular than Trump.
     
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    I'm sure that most politicians dislike Trump because he is rather incompetent. He trash talks and threatens those around him. He is a s&#@ head.

    Ever notice that all of the books written by insiders have all been so very negative. Bush and Obama had insiders writing books about them and their management style. None of them described the dysfunction that is described in books about Trump. Of the Congressional Republicans, Trump has said that if they didn't support him in the Impeachment, that he would have their head on a spike.

    It is not difficult to see why Trump is so disliked. Even the leaders of our closest allies mock him, and make him the butt of their jokes.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Yeah it tells me that the alphabet soup bunch worship the ground Obama walks and bad mouth Trump every chance they get, and that there's still way too many people over whom they have way too much influence.
     
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    Let's see now; the collective media spent eight years treating Obama like a god on Earth and has so far treated Trump as the devil incarnate. Ask yourself then why Obama with all that positive political propaganda and Trump with all that negative political propaganda remain almost neck and neck in polling returns for similar time periods in their presidency. Perhaps that is what so many leftists are really worried about.
     
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    Most Trump or GOP party loyalists have little or no ability to think beyond next week. Unintended consequences is a foreign concept to them. The junior Senator from Indiana said this morning on Meet the Press, 'the. impeachment process has taught Trump his lesson, he won't risk doing this again.' Such naivety is almost precious. Here is what will happen (sure as god made little green apples).

    The Senate will not convict and will go its merry way. Trump will feel totally vindicated and will engage in behavior orders of magnitude worse than he did previously. He will go on a vengeance crusade unlike anything seen in modern politics. Lock him/her up will be a placard on his desk. He will bribe, coheres, intimidate, extort and threaten anyone that might compromise his reelection. Voters will see it and know the cause - the Senate and the cowardly.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People who fear usually resort to insult and mockery. Especially when they have nothing else. Incompetent my ass. If he was, and they could have shown anything of consequence- he wouldn't have been elected in the first place. You know all that of course, and I know you know it. Trump isn't destroying the left, they are destroying themselves.
     
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    Of course he will! It's what you expect so therefore it will be whether true or not.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think that many do enter politics with good intentions, just as many enter law that way. But soon the drugs of power and the money it can bring take over, and bit by bit they increasingly compromise and tell themselves the end will justify the means- and the original goal simply fades away. Sad, but true.
     
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    And, without question Hillary will clean Trump's plow, with the polls showing her 91% to 9% margin.
    When wise people find they have been wrong, they try to adjust their perspective. Dumb ones just double down over and over.
    How many attempts has the left tried already to destroy Trump? The senate will kill the impeachment crap and the dems will crank up something else.
    They have no choice. Trump's success ultimately means the end to the right to abuse their own power, and many things say they value that above the welfare of the nation.
     
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    In case you hadn't noticed, Trump is the one being impeached, not the Left.
     
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    Read Isaiah and Daniel on Cyrus the Great.
     
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    The FACT that seventy percent of Americans favor calling more witness and getting more documents has completely escaped Republicans in the Senate. Given that simple FACT, how many people will consider Trump "vindicated" in a Senate verdict? How many of those seventy percent will consider the Senate verdict anything but a whitewash? How many will view the GOP as the party of truth and justice?

    I sometimes wonder if today's Republicans are capable of cogent thought.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's correct. However, the impeachment itself is the criminal act here, being created and perpetrated by the democrats. Fair chance that as the investigations continue, that will result in charges for them.
    In case you haven't noticed- the impeachment is pure democrat, not a bi-partisan act of congress. It is nothing more than the desperate act of those who hate and fear Trump becoming so desperate that they are willing to weaponize the constitutional process of impeachment for their personal vendetta. The real effect of that is to demonstrate the extent to which they have abandoned their own self respect and honor- and ignored the good of the nation. It's pitiful, and the blow-back from it will only deepen their loss this November.

    I think there is now little doubt that the house control will be lost, and that probability continues to grow stronger. At the same time, coherence in the republican party is coalescing and becoming stronger while the left is fragmenting and in-fighting. The democrats aren't damaging Trump, they are insuring his re-election. He should be sending them a thank-you card.

    I may not like your politics, but I don't think you are a fool. You might hate my point and feel the urge to trash it- but you also know it's true.
     
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    ~ Sad but true ...:no:
     
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    KEYSTONE???He is a MILLSTONE hanging on the neck of our nation pulling us down into the muck and mire where he has lived his entire life.
     
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    Now that's funny, Obama created more unintended consequences than any president ever, and Trump's spent most of his first three years trying to repair the damage Obama did and Trump's the one can't see beyond next week? That would almost be funny if it weren't so sad.
     
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    I'm old enough to remember the turbulent 60s and in 2020 there's a chilling similarity to those times. The message then was peace and love but there was very little of either, instead there was a very divided country. All of the devices the left employed then are in use now with the exception of the cornucopia of militant groups that existed then. Most of them made a lot of noise but little else but there was a handful of criminal groups that went about inciting violence and some who engaged in violent acts themselves, even bombings. With the foregone conclusion of Trump's acquittal and re-election I can see the rise of groups like Antifa becoming a national problem. When someone can be violently attacked for wearing a MAGA hat it's not a stretch to imagine these nuts ramping things up. I think it's time for the Democrats to ratchet down the hate and be pro active about this and get the message out that this is not acceptable and will be dealt with harshly. If they don't whatever happens is on them. With the way things have been going since Trump was elected I have little hope that the Democrats will do the right thing and will probably promote what's to come. My biggest fear is that Trump will be assassinated and we will be plunged into a civil war. Dangerous Times indeed.
     
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    Perspective, falcon, Perspective. A man who lives in the mental equivalent of the hole under the outhouse seat will always believe the world is full of *******s. He doesn't see the rest of what those who visit him are accomplishing because his viewpoint is so limited. That's the point of the post- we all need to back off and look at the bigger picture, to understand what's really happening.
     
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    I find your dictatorship comment hysterical. Who is it that demands government controlled healthcare, government provided basic minimum income, government provided healthcare, exactly who can own guns, and government paid abortions.
    Taking away freedoms is called dictatorship, not Donald J. Trump.
    The OP is not nonsense and hit exactly the correct talking points. Right now what the DNC fears most is the fact if Trump is reelected he will determine the makeup of the Supreme Court for decades. Add to that, in the next five years he will have the opportunity to appoint a couple hundred more judges to the bench.
    All this with 2020 being a census year, a large Republican turnout could really fracture the democrat party in the future.
    Good luck with ranting as we have heard it all for the past 3 years.
     
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    I didn't even need to highlight in bold the key point, as you did it for me, lol... If they fear a dictatorship w/ DJT why are they in such a doggone headlong rush to abrogate the 2A rights for law abiding citizens~! Wouldn't that essentially cede exponentially more power to the 'dictatorship'? Seems like a mightily antithetical strategy / lack of a sincerely thought out sentiment - w/ a "dictator" emerging & all... :)

    - No reciprocity for carry / CC etc.
    - Waiting periods for purchase (precluding gun show acquisitions & the like)
    - limits on purchases (x 1/mo. - 12 / yr. most common)
    - ammo restriction in purchase
    - 21yo (x 3 years into "adulthood") purchase
    - FFL mandate transfer even for family
    - limited mags
    - etc. etc. etc. (I just don't care to 'litanize' everything in my memory - but would gladly do so if any care to go down this road of Dem. proposed 2A restrictions)
     
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    There are no public funded abortions. I use the VA does that make me a dictator?
     
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    Voicing fears and showing facts are two completely different things. Obama is in no way comparable to Trump.

    It was silly then. It's very well documented now. To the point that Trump has been Impeached. You don't impeach Presidents lightly.

    Your attempt at projecting some sense of fake "fairness" is obvious. Especially when you try to compare to completely opposite figures. A distinguished President, a known Constitutional scholar who might have made some mistakes in his 8 years, or carried out policies we disagree with. With an uneducated mental midget who has used the Presidency to benefit himself.

    There is no such thing as "extreme left" in this country. You only repeat right wingnut media talking points. Which could only be stated either by somebody who is not being honest, or who doesn't know what the term "extreme left" means.... or both...
     
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