Is Trump For Real On Prison/Sentencing Reform?

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I don't see getting African Amerians out of prison as a goal.

    Getting fairness and equal treatment under the law into our legal system from policing to prison is a goal.

    Getting humane treatment for prisoners is a goal.
     
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    Okay 1st people are not now nor have they ever been innately good. We drop out the shoot selfish, and selfishness is where all crime begins.

    2nd by the time the average prisoner hits jail he has been in legal trouble since the age of twelve, petty theft, shop lifting, all sorts of minor beefs usually not involving drugs. He or she has been on probation once or twice maybe even three times. By the time we actually jail some one he has generally been a hardened criminal for more than a decade. We haven't really been tough on crime in decades.

    Tried a boot camp thing for first offenders once. It failed in the main because the people being sent weren't even remotely 1st offenders.
     
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    Why the hell does it need to be the GOAL in order for it to be helping African Americans? You just won't want to give Trump ANY credit because you are enraged by hatred of him. Just admit it. :roflol:
     
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  4. WillReadmore

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    I just emphasized that the goal has to be equal justice for all.

    Our justice system put those people in prison.

    Letting some people out of prison doesn't fix the fact that our justice system is failing in the "equal justice" department.

    There are Republicans and Democrats who have problems with that bill. So, maybe you should look at THAT before leaping to the conclusion that all I think about is Trump.

    Do you know that they are letting the right people out of jail? Are they being complete about releasing all those who are there unfairly? I'm not ready to sign up to this bill, because it's a sloppy patch on a flat tire - not progress toward what has to be the goal.
     
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    It's very simple. You said that Trump has done NOTHING for black people. If you had said that Trump hasn't come up with the solution for equal justice in the justice system,. then I would've agreed with you. So again, has Trump done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER for black people?
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When we become civilized away from being clever chimps drugs will not be a crime . Making drugs a crime is like making poverty a crime or alcoholism a crime . Intelligent people and moral people are not so cruel.
     
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    This is to prevent recidivism, I suppose, for punishments are still too lenient and the deterrence is way too weak.
     
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    Agree 100%. Legalize drugs and have the selling price say $10 a day and addicts will be just like the drunks at work that have two nips at lunch. I remember during the early 90s another engineer had a half pint in his desk at all times. Went to work every day, and was productive but you would kill 2-3 of those 1/2 pints a week. The $10 price could buy enough drugs for 2 weeks with the profit going to pay for treatment facilities. Crime will be cut by 1/2 within a year and will only go down from there. streets in urban areas will be safe for kids to play as there will be no more drug shootings.
     
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    90 percent of people are good. don't confuse being good with being an angel. I think less than 1% of us are socciopathic. And anyone who says that drugs are not the cause of the majority of crime is not even worth talking too. You seem to think the petty crimes were not committed with an eye to purchase drugs.
     
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    You not being a sociopath is an extremely low standard for what constitutes good, right? The Biblical standard for 'good' is much tougher.
     
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    Oh, you mean all TWELVE of them? And they were all Republicans!
     
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    Are you going to actually DEFEND what Trump'ss executive branch has done with children???

    Yes or no.
     
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    Many states have FOR PROFIT prisons leased to the state turning incarceration into a for profit business.We had a juvenile court judge here in Pa. who is now disbarred for funneling kids to one of our for profit juvenile prisons.
     
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    WOW, isn't that what ALL our representatives SHOULD do! You kinda make it sound all dirty and shlt :(¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Don't forget DEATH RACE!
     
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    Yayyyy leftist utopia. Ten dollar fix's for junkies and of course taxpayer welfare to help them thru the good times.. ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
  18. WillReadmore

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    Actually, our president is supposed to be president of the USA - not president of his fan club.

    Let's remember that he did not even get a plurality.

    That works in the electoral college, but again the president is supposed to represent America.
     
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    Well thats how the losers would like it, but I think loyalty to all and pandering to ones base is only expected. Granted, after three years of reading the hate ladened post from the left here, and if they are indicative of the ALL the left then if President Trump finds opportunity to take a BIG OL DUMP in their corn flakes then I'll certainly understand him seizing it :) What's he to lose? They hate his guts and liver anyway so F%^k um! Loyalty begets loyalty, RIGHT?
     
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    Not drugs but the artificially high cost of drugs.
     
  21. WillReadmore

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    I don't believe the majority of Republicans look at it that way.

    Our government deserves respect.
     
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    That is what objective intelligence would do. But we are too emotional and that smothers out rationality. A big problem.
     
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    I think many Democrats see it the looney left way either, but I give muh brutha's all the space and forum they want ;)
     
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    ???
     
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    Again, has Trump done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER for black people?
     

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