Julian Assange: "I'm Slowly Dying Here".

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    What did he do to you personally?
     
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    Personally? He affronted my view of the importance of liberal democracies,
    strategic security, journalist ethics and personal morals. Of course I am
    offended to think he raped people and had others executed.

    But if you mean "personally" as in effecting some physical in my life? I
    have no way of knowing what effects the deep espionage he engaged in
    is effecting my life today. But if you say he had no physical effect upon
    my life, then of course, neither did Joseph Stalin.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    And based on this you are saying that he is DEFINITELY guilty of everything that he is accused of?

    Are you pro choice or pro life?
     
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    No one is "definitely" guilty of anything. But he's innocent until proven guilty
    but he wouldn't allow his innocence to be tested. This suggests his guilt.
    I find the question of choice vs life to a false dichotomy.
     
  5. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Yes, this is my point. It's just that earlier you said that, "he was an accomplice in theft." So you don't actually believe that?

    Well do you think that abortion should be legal?
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never delved into the details of this person. I just know he is charged
    with breaking into computer systems. Had he NOT broken in but still published
    material detrimental to allied cause then I would consider him a traitor.

    I have no real opinion on abortion - but I will quote what one African Cardinal
    said “In many parts of the world, the family is under siege. It is opposed by an
    anti-life mentality as is seen in contraception, abortion, infanticide and euthanasia.
    It is scorned and banalized by pornography, desecrated by fornication and adultery,
    mocked by homosexuality, sabotaged by irregular unions and cut in two by divorce.”
     
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    Exactly. So you shouldn't have said that "he was an accomplice in theft."

    "I have no real opinion on abortion." Really? It seems that you agree with the Cardinal.
     
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  8. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think many of the Washington ideologues are Trotskyites. I know that Billy Crystal's father was. Soros' ideals of a liberal one world order formed through 'chaos' has to be one and the same as theirs. I once read that half the members of the EU Parliament are on Soros' payroll.

    What slays me is the arrogance. People like Soros have made themselves the decisive factor on what the world should be like, and could care less on how many die and suffer in order for them to achieve it. I mean how can a bunch of psychopaths who could care less on how many people suffer and die, be the decisive factor on anything, never the less the fate of humanity? :frustrated:
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I consider everyone in Washington who believes in a 'liberal one world order', and who lies to the American people so they can achieve that one world order; a traitor to our constitution and what it represents.

    If though we want to get down to the nitty gritty, then what about Hillary Clinton who sent classified material to Huma Mahmood Abedin's husband's computer. Hillary knew that Huma's brother and mother resided at the apartment and had access to the computer, and that they were Saudi citizens and members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The attack on Assange came about because he dared to print information detrimental to Hillary's election and they killed Seth Rich because of it, since he was the only person that had access to it. They then threw the blame on Russia so they could remove the duly elected President and when that failed they began using other tactics.
     
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    I have never seen anyone try to put a case together to support that idea but I tend to think you are probably right.
     
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    I find it compelling that in any grand narrative the Left will always try to bog you down in minutia.
    Stuff you most likely don't know but could be employed to create a plausible distraction to the
    main theme, and help overthrow it.
    This if we had Romney as President and he sends troops to Syria we can suppose someone
    will come up with Mormon thoughts on expansion, polygamy and whether Romney secretly
    wears brown underpants.
     
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    It's right if it supports the Grand Narrative of conspiracy.
    In this case - the Jews rule the world, not just America
    but Europe too. Protocols of Zion stuff, with a bit of the
    Masons tossed in for good measure.
    Not a shred of evidence, mind you.
     
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    I should say, therefor, Assange is charged with theft.
    And for the Cardinal - I am Catholic but there is an
    element of truth to what he says.
    It's interesting that many at that Catholic University
    complained about his speech. And they were all
    Catholic themselves. Says a lot about the Catholic
    Church.
     
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    You say that they were Catholic, but would you have found them attending mass much?
     
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    Ooops, I left out the "Not" in Catholic!!!!
    I sometimes take an elderly couple to Mass but I
    don't believe in Catholicism personally.
    I do feel however that when the Catholic Church is
    finally gone then so too is Western Civilization.

    But for sure, many of the complainants most likely
    never attend Mass.
     
  16. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not saying anything that George Soros has not said or done over the years. Soros said he believes in a one world government and currency and everything he has done has to be towards that end - whether it's protests and regime changes, open borders, migrations, etc., etc.

    Soros has projects in over 100 countries, and his Open Society Foundation has been banned in Pakistan; Poland; Turkey; Russia; Hungary; Philippines; Egypt and other nations as well. Three years ago the people in Macedonia were holding signs saying we want George Soros out. As for Israel, they haven't banned him but they did say he's not welcome there.

    To give you an example, Soros admitted to CNN's Fareed Zakaria that he established a foundation in Ukraine to help overthrow the elected president and installed a junta hand picked by our State Department. What I find funny with George Soros is that while backing extreme liberal parties and issues, he also backs extreme nationalists at times as well as Muslim immigration into Europe.

    Anything I guess to create chaos towards his New World Order. Here are some American politicians who have been supported by George Soros:


    List of 206 American Organizations supported by George Soros:


    Thirty medias financed by George Soros:

     
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    Been listening to a Hoover Lecture called "Why Stalin Matters" by S.Kotkin.
    You get some interesting characters like Soros and Trump - but they are
    individuals with no forceful ideas (except of themselves.) Why Stalin, known
    as "Uncle Joe to generations of Western Lefties, matters is because he has
    the power of ideas behind him. Socialism, the Collective, class struggle etc..
    Or Mao, loved by many academics even to this day. His war of ideas meant
    death to tradition, private ownership, religion, culture and political opposition.
    This is why the Soros' of this world don't scare me.
     
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    Only fools and Anti-Semites fear Soros.... he is a political\social stirrer, albeit a very wealthy one. Though he is nothing more and nothing less than a stirring meddler
     
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    Yeah right! That's why his Open Society Foundation has been banned in so many countries.

    Soros believes he has a messianic purpose in this world. He once said that if he didn't hide the power he felt, people would think he's crazy. But he's not the only one with a messianic view of himself. Erdogan feels the same way. I see another clash of ideologies with liberalism on one side, and nationalism and fundamental Islam on the other. As the saying goes, those who do not know history are bound to repeat it.

    As for being a traitor, anyone that has an ideology harmful to this nations sovereignty and who tries to suppress the freedoms we were guaranteed in our Constitution has to be a traitor. Yet these same traitors will accuse the one's who reveal their intent as being traitors. You figure! But then again we do live in an Orwellian world.

    Welcome to our Orwellian world guys.
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    Are you actually 19?
     
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    Are you including CONSERVATIVE Washington ideologues
     
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    One of my family worked for signals during the war in the Pacific.
    I sometimes wonder if she knew about the American code breaking.
    She could have alerted the Japanese to Midway, for instance.
    And if caught she could have said she was no traitor, she just didn't
    accept the hegemonic aspirations the US had for Asia and the
    Pacific and the way they had goaded Japan into war by choking their
    oil.
    Would she be a traitor in the Assange style? Probably not in the
    eyes of those Americans who hated the Western alliance. She
    would just be "telling the truth."
     
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    You're taking things out of context. First of all we were at war, and we are not at war today. Also our anger and actions towards Japan pre WWII, had to do with their aggression towards China. We supported a defender against an aggressor, and we were attacked at Pearl Harbor for it. Today we are the aggressor which means our moral compass has changed.

    In Ukraine, we overthrew the legitimate government and installed a junta consisting of mafias and Nazis and for what reason? So we could over take Russia with its vast resources. In Syria, we supported terrorists to overthrow a secular government in order to subject them to Saudi Arabia's sharia law. And Washington did this with complete indifference to the innocents being killed and the lies told to the American people. But it was okay to them, as long as the media covered it up.

    We use to condemn the Soviet Union for the crimes that we are now doing. We brain wash with impunity, and hinder anything in the press that might go against our narrative. We use psychological torture towards those who disobey - as we are doing to Assange. These things are supposed to be for our self interest, yet I haven't seen any gain for the American people nor for the world, have you - that is with the exception of a select few?

    What happened is that we switched from a positive and enlightened society, into a God-less one whose warped perceptions has spiraled us into a destructive and downward cycle that makes WWIII more imminent.

    Here's the latest on Assange from RT:

    "...WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange may die in a UK prison, having "effectively been tortured to death," claim Doctors for Assange, a group of 117 doctors from 18 countries, in a recent letter published in The Lancet, a leading medical journal.

    The letter says that Assange requires urgent medical care, and has been exposed to “prolonged psychological torture”. The group once again asks for him to be moved to a university teaching hospital for medical assessment and treatment..."

    "...“Doctors for Assange” says that he appeared “pale, underweight, aged, and limping, and he had visibly struggled to recall basic information, focus on his thoughts, or articulate his words”. By the end of the proceedings, the journalist told the judge “he had not understood what had happened in court”.

    "...Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, visited Assange in prison in May 2019, and reported that the journalist showed “all the symptoms typical of prolonged exposure to psychological torture”.
     
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    Just Thank Lord

    He isn't so imprisoned by godless Communist,
    backwoods revolutionaries nor Muslim wackos.






    Meng Wanzhau too!
    Captive in :flagcanada: for over 1 year
    without "due process"!


    Moi :oldman:




    Truth Justice and the :flagus: :salute: Way
    GWTW
     
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    Depends upon what Sweden does to men who dont use a condom .If the penalty is mild but he still feated being extradicted to the US who can blame him for seeking refuge given how we treated Manning?
     

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