"Trump's troubles won't end with a Senate acquittal"

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Again, what will you accept as evidence?
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    All of which have been subpoenaed and access to which the WH has denied. I wonder why
     
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    I already answered that plainly and clearly
     
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    So then house Democrats need to sue the White House to get them. Instead of trying to impeach based on nothing.
     
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    What explicit legal remedies are you talking about? You can't impeach for bribery?
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Crossposted.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The frontrunners?

    The racist senile ole Joe Bite_me, the Pocahontas, the Crazy Solialist.

    Nice :D
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    They've asked for them in the Senate trial, now is Trump's chance to exonerate himself.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    All against Our Cartoon President and major customer of ManTan
     
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    Withholding the aid itself..



    It's only bribery if you can prove he did it for personal gain.
     
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    One Potato, Two Potatoes
     
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    Trump does not have to exonerate himself. He is innocent until proven guilty.
     
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    Yep. All 3 will have to run against Trump record, which is amazing.

    Looking forward to debates.
     
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    I think you don’t understand what facts and evidence are. Everything I identified was a fact.

    Those facts are evidence of his intention.
     
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    Evidence for what? The made up "bombshell" BS dribbled out of the democrats mouths on a daily basis?
    After all the dozens of attempts by the Democrats to block and oust this sitting president have failed, you continue to dig and hang your hats on last minute random utterances by individuals, all of which have an axe to grind, I am tired of that tactic.
    If you are hanging your hat on "obstruction of justice" you are pissing in the wind because there has never been a president that did not exert pressure to benefit his political position.
    Take a step back, the election is in a few months.
    Advice for malcontent lefties,
    Don't blame a clown for acting like a clown, blame yourself for going to the circus.
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    How is withholding Ukraine's aid a legal remedy against Trump for his doing just that? That makes no sense at all.

    So I can take a bribe to build a useless bridge and as long as I give all the money to charity it will be alright?
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    So am I. Trump will probably start a fistfight and then threaten to nuke all Democrats
     
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    Well there it is, sounds like proof positive to me ;) It's always nice when solid information is used in these discussions, helps to reduce the assumptions and silly opinions that often cloud topics ;) ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    They are certainly evidence of what you want them to be.
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    That is a legal nicety, Once you are indicted a Prima Facie case has been established and you must refute that or it will stand against you. Most trials are a chance for the defendant to exonerate themselves.
     
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    They are evidence of his intention. Even if you don’t want them to be.

    Tell me - can you think of any other example of the president asking a foreign country to start an investigation into an American citizen who was not under investigation at home? EVER?
     
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    It must suck to be a liberal and know none of your candidates can defeat Trump.
     
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    You misunderstood me.

    Withholding the aid breaks the law written in 1974. However that law has written into it it's own legal remedy.
    Withholding the aid all on it's own is not an impeachable offense.

    Let's go back to the phone call for a second.
    A clear reading of the transcript shows he was asking for the investigation on behalf of the American people, not just himself.
    That is not bribery, thats just playng hardball politics.

    Now if you could find say an email between Trump and one of his staff saying something like. " man. Biden is really breathing down my neck here. We need to do something! Get Zaleski to say he is investigating Biden or Burisma or something associated with Democrats. "

    That would be bribery as he is getting something for personal gain, in this case more time in the white house.
     
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    You are absolutely correct, but it has nothing to do with Trump. The Democrats and the left will never lose their hatred of Trump and will never give up the fight to throw him out of office. If they keep control of the House, certainly. But even if they don't they will push for more impeachments as they did during Trump's first two years in office when Republicans controlled the House. I would not be terribly surprised if they even pushed for an ex post facto impeachment after his 8 years as president.
     
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    At its core this is a struggle between the pathogenic ideas of socialism and communism and those who hate everything those ideas stand for.
     

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