How Did Donald Trump cheat in the 2016 election?

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    No, I didn't paraphrase Trump and I only mentioned it because it seemed important to you.

    I saw most of the House investigation and I still say what abuse of power? The only abuse of power I have seen is the attempted coup By the Democrats and their distortion of the impeachment process and purpose.
     
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    Under an agreement with the Ukrainian government and Bill Clinton, Trump had every right to ask Ukraine to look into possible misdeeds by American or Ukrainian citizens in his country. That's what Trump did. Now you can say he did it to get an advantage over Biden and you could be right. But he also could have done it because he felt there was misdeeds being done by American citizens and a Ukrainian gas company. There is no solid proof either way. Trump said he wanted nothing but to have the new President to keep his promise, which was to clean up graft from his country. Because it could be taken either way, there is no solid proof Trump broke the law.


    Maybe if more Democrats watched Fox they would be better informed.

     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Some might say he's innocent, just like others say he's guilty. But if you don't even understand what it is he's innocent or guilty of.... you might be the victim of conditions which I cannot mention without getting in trouble with the mods.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    But that's not what he did.
     
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    Yes, that is exactly what he did
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money. "
    ~ Joe Biden
     
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    He had a phone call with the President of the Ukraine and I'm pretty sure he can do that within the Constitutional structure of his office. Why did you underline understand? Everybody understands what Democrats are trying to do and why.
     
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    From who, the fake news networks?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not everybody. Can you believe that there are people so dumb out there who actually believe Trump when he says they're doing it "because they hate him"?

    Anyway, he has the power to call whomever he wants. But he cannot abuse his power for personal gain. As I explained here

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...fuse-abuse-of-power-with-overreaching.567350/
     
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    I was shocked to see that people can be dumb enough to believe Pelosi when she says they don't dislike Trump. Surely you're not one of those?

    He didn't.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah. Me too. I guess it's because of her religious beliefs. Because who in their right mind wouldn't hate a guy who separates children from their family (for example) with no intention whatsoever of ever reuniting them as a matter of policy.

    Only the blindest of his most blind followers wouldn't hate Trump. Heck,... even his own family hates him!

    Since I'm not religious, I don't know for sure about Pelosi herself. She argues that it's because of her religion. Maybe there is something in deep religious beliefs that would allow some people to not hate an anal cavity like Trump. Trump's followers are an example of the way in which profound religious beliefs can make people do and believe the weirdest things. So I can't judge Pelosi herself. But I'm sure she's wrong when she says "we".
     
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    What a reasoned response.
     
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    When the left starts talking favorably about religion that only means one thing. They are out of gas and have nothing else to fall back on.
     
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    You're saying that saying mean things about your political opponent is cheating? Who knew?
     
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    If they had "said" what they were doing, it might even not be cheating. But they kept their collusion with Russia very very secret. Until they were found out. And then they denied it. The rest of the story is redacted. I guess we won't know until Trump is out of office. But it doesn't look too good for the President* and his mafia family.
     
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    By winning and not being a Democrat.
     
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    Him and Putin had secret meetings and then Putin gave $5k to Facebook and next thing you know he won.
     
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    Somebody paid Macedonian teenagers very large amounts of money, by their standards, to inundate social media with lies and misinformation about Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Well he's still there, still taking fire and repelling boarders.
     
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    How did he benefit from a phone call no one knew about except the NSC.
     
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    It helps to dig into Stone’s trial, and Bannon’s testimony at his trial and his 302’s.

    It’s clear the campaign coordinated with Wikileaks or if you like the campaign coordinated with a surrogate of a foreign country to undermine the 2016 election and the United States.

    “Cheating” is a good description of the behavior.

    What confounds me is the notion this action did not influence behavior. That is akin to saying right wing media outlets have no influence on behavior. Which must explain their pervasive use of persuasive writing techniques. (Yeah, I’m being an ass.)

    Meaning we have people spending ungodly sums of cash to accomplish absolutely nothing utilizing techniques to influence behavior. It’s a story incredibly hard to digest.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    By getting his Republican lackeys in the Senate to dump their last bit of self-respect and patriotism and bend over like good little bi****s and take it in the butt.
     
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    That response reminds me of intersectional finger painting.

    Did you have anything intelligible to say on the topic?

    What's wrong with taking it in the butt? Why are you attacking homosexuals?
     
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    Undermine in what way? Influence I can see but undermine implies causing the system to fail and that didn't happen. The system worked fine.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not unless you have something intelligible to ask.
     

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