Fake news strikes again

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  1. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    CNN reporter admits he made up a conversation between two senators

    Add your fake news finds to the thread. This will likely be a wild ride.

    Edit to add: I should define fake news: where there is reasonable evidence that a story was published or not published in an intentional effort to deceive or an attempt to harm or make a story that is so reckless that basic journalistic standards of review or validation are not followed.
     
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    Ya mean like one o' Uncle Ferd's made up stories...

    ... about why he came home drunk last night?
     
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    The short definition of FAKE NEWS is CNN, MSNBC, PBS, BBC......also known as....enemies of the state.

    Hope that helps :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You forgot to include FOX on your list.
     
  5. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Examples, please. That's why this thread was created.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for asking - where to begin. War in Syria/Yemen - Soleimani - Chemical Attacks (sans Tucker -did one segment questioning the missile attack - stating that our general had stated that we did not know if it was Assad- that was cool - but extremely rare and everyone else on Fox towed the Establishment narrative)

    War in Syria

    The war in Syria started late 2011 - over the next 5-6 years the US lead a global coalition to arm, support and supply the opposition
    This opposition ceased to have a significant moderate presence - as least as early as early 2012 - as per the assessment of our Defense Intelligence Agency.. so the movement we were arming - was a radical Islamist Jihadist movement - initially many groups - with Al Nusra/Al Qaeda being the head cheese - by the end of 2013 - an Islamic State had formed - the two main opposition groups were then Al Nusra and ISIS - albeit fighting for the same cause .. as were a few other smaller groups .. so it matters not what we call them. They all wanted Syria to turn from its evil Secular ways - and become a strict sharia totalitarian nightmare.

    The atrocities are many and well documented - posted all over the internet - the cities of Syria were plunged into a strict sharia nightmare - dark age style - as were the people in those cities. This was reported of course - but - what was left out - was that this was our side - these were are allies in the war - the proxy army we helped create - and supported LONG LONG - after we knew what it was we were supporting.

    Do feel free to show me reporting from Fox on that.

    but this is one of hundreds of examples - Fox is a propaganda arm of the Establishment - just like the others you mentioned.

    I have a simple one for you - Fox - "Obama was responsible for the 2009 Deficit" 1.4 Trillion - This was repeated ad nauseam .. this and similar BS - "unemployment rises under Obama" - like the Business Candidate "Mitt" could not figure out that after

    1) Stock market crash Dow 14,000 - 6500
    2) Housing market crash - houses at 1/2 price
    3) 1.4 Trillion dollar deficit - handed to Obama by Bush
    4) Financial system is collapsing months after he steps into office - Commercial Paper markets are frozen (do you know what this means)? If GE gets 5 Billion contract - they need to borrow from the CP markets to get the project going. If those markets are frozen - the project is not going.

    Now what idiot - can not figure out - that after such an event - the job market is going to suck for a few years. Mitt - The Business Candidate - that's who. Of course we know he knows this - so he knew what he was saying was a lie .. as he was saying it. Which is why we love our politicians.

    but hold on here ... what about FOX - did the shrewd reporting staff - who also are not stupid - correct that false narrative ? NO NO NO my friend .. they parroted it out ..day and night earning many Faux accolades.

    Fox then actually got better when Red got back into power - and the left off the deep end .. as is expected. They switch back and forth with respect to internal politics .. but on foreign issue of interest to the Establishment - they are in lockstep.
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your brain dump isn't examples. Be specific. What story was reported on other stations and not on Fox? What exactly, quote, link, video, did Fox say that was incorrect?

    I'm not defending them; everything you alluded to may be correct, but if you're going to make the claim it is up to you to provide the evidence to back it up.
     
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    I gave you a number of specific examples - but your comprehension level is low. Why would you ask for examples of stories reported - when the fake news sin being committed is the sin of "Omission" = what was not reported.

    Turn on any channel - and watch any reporting on Syria - and it is all a big fat lie. What part of "We armed a terrorist proxy army" in Syria - do you not understand ?

    What part of "Fox reported numerous times" the specific BS lines on Obama I pointed out. Do you seriously need me to dig up a Fox report by Hannity or one of the other clowns screeching about Obama racking up 10 Trillion in Debt ?


    As per the Fox reporting on Syria - take your pick.

    Here is one report - bemoaning US weapons falling into the hands of Al Nusra

    and finally

    Not how this story maintains the false narrative that we were arming "moderate rebels" but unfortunately they fell into the hands of the bad guys.

    That is a BS narrative .. We were arming Al Qaeda and ISIS -and other affiliated Islamist Jihadist groups - It was a massive global effort that lasted 5-6 years ... an effort the reporter would be well aware of by July 2017 but, he maintains Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie"/ False narrative.

    The moderates - if every there were any of any significance which we have no evidence of but - what ever there may have been - these were gone by 2013 - and numerous US and other media outlets were reporting this. Even the Vice President stated this - do feel free to ask for the link.
     
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    I'm sure no one is actually surprised like this. CNN viewers know they are being fed fake news and as long as the news stays within their safe zone, and is what they WANT to hear, they are fine with it. Sheeple are gonna be sheeple!
     
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    They’re mind readers.
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Give the links to the CNN or MSNBC stories and we can then debate whether or not Fox covered the same. Throwing random statements with no links don't demonstrate a thing. It's your claim; I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you show the stories covered on CNN and MSNBC and there's no similar story that I can find on Fox, you win the argument. Of course if the Fox story does exist but it simply proves the CNN or MSNBC story false then I win the story. In fact, if Fox covered the topic at all, I win because your argument is that it's a sin of omission.

    So you give a link to a story on CNN or MSNBC and I'll search for that topic on Fox. I'm not a Fox fan-boy; if you're correct, you're correct. But if they covered it, even from a different perspective, then you're wrong. THere's no sin of omission.
     
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    You didn't provide any for MSNBC, PBS, BBC.
     
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    I'd not be surprised if someone here bit on it and made a thread of it.
     
  14. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I gave one example of a fake news story, substantiated with a link. Then I invited others to put their fake news stories here. I didn't suggest any additional news sources were fake news and I didn't offer any additional stories.

    I offered the first one; you're still free to offer the second since no one, on either side of the political aisle, has offered another. I purposely did not offer every fake news story I am aware of because that would be a rant or a blog article, not a discussion. Then again, if no one else wants their turn, I can go on with my next turn.

    So, if you have a fake news example from Fox, post it.
     
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    PBS and the BBC are state funded media.
     
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    OAN challenged the official talking points regarding the war in Syria.

    Fox News is part of the MSM. It relies heavily on official intelligence sources for much of it's war reporting.
    Nevertheless, some of its most popular programming have become very anti-war - especially Tucker Carlson.

    Fox may repeat some Fake News, but it only calls itself "Fair and Balanced", as opposed to "All The News That's Fit To Print". ;-)
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's OAN?

    I have a big problem with Fox's "Fair and Balanced". Some of their talking heads seem to think that balance is giving equal time and equal credibility to both sides of the story even when one side is a proven lie.

    "The Fed should raise rates and here's why..." versus "The Fed should not raise rates and here's why...." Telling both sides of that, assuming the here's why is based on opinion or truth and not lie, is fair and balanced.

    What many Fox talking heads (not all) do is more like the CNN question between Sanders and Warren when they asked Warren if he had said a woman couldn't win and then, to Warren, "When Sanders said...". Giving both honest views of a story is balanced. Giving equivalence to a lie as counter to the other side is not balanced; it's a lie.
     
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    Fox has been far better since Trump got in - that is often the way it goes though .. When Red get's in - Blue media goes off the farm - and vice versa.

    There have been many - non mainstream outlets - that have challenged the official state sponsored propaganda narrative w/r to the war in Syria. Here is one example - https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

    I gave honorable mention to Tucker in a previous post - the only one that I know of that challenged the official false narratives being parroted the media with respect to the chemical attack in Douma - asking why are we bombing Syria over an attack in which our own Generals have stated - we do not have evidence that it was Syria - he then proffered up reasons why it would make no sense for Syria to do the attack - he didn't quite go as far as claiming false flag - but - he was intimating that it may not have been Assad.

    As it turns out -it was completely a false flag - to any objective person reviewing what has transpired.. but now -
    OPCW investigator testifies at UN that no chemical attack took place in Douma, Syria

    In testimony before the United Nations Security Council, former OPCW inspection team leader and engineering expert Ian Henderson stated that their investigation in Douma, Syria suggested no chemical attack took place. But their findings were suppressed.
    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/22/...stleblower-un-no-chemical-attack-douma-syria/

    So it turns out that the investigation was a total sham -

    Just obscene - and where is the reporting of this in our "All the news that is fit to Print" media - dirty deeds.
     
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    please tell me what you find wrong with that? You prefer to have your media provided by the same people who sell you stuff? I find PBS and BBC much more believable than the major networks. Now does PBS have a liberal slant, yes they do. but they are much less likely to go with fake news than the networks who are just trying to sell you deodorant.

    Fed funds pay for 35% of PBS budget. over 55% comes from private funding.
     
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    We need massive fines for fake news.
     
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    And education in critical thinking.
     
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    Government sponsored media = propaganda. Hence the need for the warning notice.

    "YouTube will now add a label to videos that come from state-funded media outlets, the Google-owned company announced on Friday. A notice will appear under the videos for any outlets that received some level of government or public funding. It will also include a link to the Wikipedia article about that broadcaster for viewers to glean more information about the news source.

    "News is an important and growing vertical for us and we want to be sure to get it right, helping to grow news and support news publishers on YouTube in a responsible way," Geoff Samek, senior product manager for YouTube News wrote in a blog post published on Friday."

    In an example on the YouTube blog, a video from Radio Free Asia -- which is funded by the US' agency, the Broadcasting Board of Governors -- includes a note with an information symbol under the video but right above the title. "RFA is funded in whole or in part by the American government," it states.
    Other outlets affected include PBS and the Russian-funded network, RT."

    CNN, YouTube to start labeling videos posted by state-funded media, By Hadas Gold, February 2, 2018.
    http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/02/media/youtube-state-funded-media-label/index.html
     
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    BBC America is PRIVATELY owned by BBC and AMC Networks,it has no ties to any state ownership.
     
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    I miss you posting a lot!

    As to the topic, does anyone ACTUALLY believe CNN/MSNBC/WaPo/NYT anymore? I mean seriously?
     
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    And no education in sexual behavior, that's the parents job
     

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