Zeus, Jupiter, unicorns- none of these are defined as an ‘Absolute Source of everything.’ I see no reason to worship them.
Islam was an attempt to bring these various Arab tribes into some cohesion to stop them from killing one another and have some kind of social order from very disorderly people. A controll mechanism that unites tribes . It worked somewhat.
They are defined exactly the same way your god is defined. Or were you unaware that Zeus and Jupiter were gods to ancient romans/greeks? Your got has exactly the same amount of evidence for it's existence, as the ones I mentioned. Meaning zero.
Balderdash. The ancient Greeks and Romans (like the other dead and alive religions out there) corrupted the true Oneness of God. Zeus shares his throne with other deities. He eats, begets, and slumbers; and he can be comprehended (conceptually speaking) by the human mind. Nothing can be likened to God because it will always come from a context of creation. But God is the Creator.
objective reality. he doesn't exist, like your god doesn't. They are both human inventions, like every other god. this is circular reasoning, and invalid. You have to first prove the existence of this god, in order to assert it created anything.
Jewish afterlife. Olam ha Ba. Gan Eden. Religious Jews place little emphasis on life after death but on living a worthwhile life. The after death world is rather sketchy on details.
To be fair to the Ancient Greeks and Romans, they never even conceived of a unitary or monotheistic God (a la the Abrahamic faiths) so it was impossible for them to corrupt "the true Oneness of God". Furthermore, their concept of a creator or creators was embedded in their primeval domestic religion where Archaic Greek and Roman families prayed and made offerings to their ancestors who they considered their gods and creators. When these isolated and autonomous families grew into larger family groups and formed societies with other families who had their own ancestral gods, they began adopting Zeus and the other Olympian gods in order to form a common religion (and law) that bound them together. It wasn't until they came into contact with Jews and Christians that they became familiar with the concept of a unitary/monotheistic God who was the master and creator of the entire universe and everything that lived within it. Furthermore, this encounter happened to correspond with the Roman conquest of the Ancient world, so the confluence of the encounters with an all-powerful unitary God and an all-powerful unitary empire fit nicely with one another. In the minds of many, this was a logical extension of their own ancient religion where people embraced greater gods and religions to preside over their greater communities.
They nevertheless did have the concept of a supreme sky god, like many other cultures and religions. Sure, they may have not referred to this “sky god” as Absolute Oneness, but the idea of a supreme being was always there. However, dualistic concepts that come from man corrupted this idea of Oneness. This is why it makes no sense to compare the likes of Zeus and unicorns to the One Absolute. It’s not a matter of “human invention,” but human corruption.
Its amusing you think by editing out the rebuttal of your points in my post, that this somehow fools anyone into believing I didn't do so. Lol
You must be senile if you call this a rebuttal: All you did here was make the same previous assertions of yours, and are essentially repeating yourself. Silly atheist!
we get it. you can't support your claim with evidence that any god exists, let alone yours. This makes you uncomfortable. So you are forced to post moronic memes.
Fool! You claimed that my God is “defined exactly the way they (Zeus, Jupiter) are.” Or did you forget that you wrote the following?: I showed you the contrary in my reply to said post and supported it with examples. You responded with “he doesn’t exist, like your god doesn’t.” Profound intellect from the atheist!
yes, they are defined the same. Jupiter/Zues is the supreme god. Your god is the supreme god. Both human inventions, with the exact same amount of evidence in support of their existence.
Nonsense, because my Lord is not a god. This is a thread on the subject of Islam, and as far as Islam is concerned, Allah is not a “god.” Allah is the Truth, and Allah is the Reality. Allah is the only real existence. He is not an image, nor a form, nor anything else that has been conjured up by the dualistic minds of humans. So once again, we are not on the same level whatsoever with man-made conceptions of the Absolute.
Allah is the same god of Abraham that jews and Christians worship. you can not substantiate this in any way. You have exactly the same amount of evidence for Allah's existence that the greeks did for zues. they are identical concepts, sorry.
Well, militant atheists are always going to make those comparisons in the context of their own disbelief, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for historians, academics and people of faith to mind their comparisons. However, being somewhat familiar with the religion of the Archaic Greeks and Romans, I don't think it can be said that "the idea of a supreme being was always there". As I pointed out earlier, the primeval religion of the Hellenes and Italians was based on ancestor worship and later they worked the pantheon of Olympic gods into the mix as the families grew into larger associations that required the adoption of one or more of those deities to form a communal religion. At that time there was no concept of a unitary omnipotent God-Creator and his Oneness to corrupt. Of course, given the enormous expanse of Antiquity, it may be possible that you and I are talking about two entirely different groups of people. While I'm talking about the Archaic Greeks and Italians who lived as far back as the time of Homer, I get the impression you may be talking about the Romans and Byzantine Greeks who lived during dawn of the Christian and Islamic faiths (?)...
Really? Pope John Paul II didn't think so. And how would you have Goomba present an incorporeal deity to you, rahl? For curiosity's sake, what if someone told you that "God" was inside and all around you, that "God" was manifest in all things, that you were "God" and "God" was you? What, besides a mirror, would someone need to provide you to substantiate the existence of "God"? It seems the atheist's argument often comes down to "I can't perceive it, therefore it doesn't exist." For someone who has studied human perception I find that argument unconvincing.
which has no relevance to the fact they all 3 worship the same god of Abraham. with evidence. the burden lays squarely on the one making the claim of existence, not on me. no the atheist argument is "if you can't prove it, why should I accept your assertions?".
You have confined your expectations of so-called "evidence" of God's existence to the domain of objective physical reality. However, physical reality originates in the precursor realm of subjective physical reality where there are quantum subatomic functions that are contrary to standard physical laws and dimensions that have manifestations beyond our ability to fathom. Even within our physical reality, sensory capabilities allow understanding of only a portion of the vast electromagnetic spectrum. Likewise any supposed existence of a God/Creator/Source is outside of ordinary reality, i.e. not in the physical universe, or at least not confined to it. Also, since we don't know what really accounts for consciousness, human existence and perceptions include dynamics of nonmaterial phenomena. Thus your argument that a belief in God isn't justified due to lack of provincial evidence is invalid.
because that is all that actually exists. anything outside of that is wild and baseless speculation. this doesn't contradict anything I said. baseless assertion you can in no way substantiate. also a baseless assertion you can in no way substantiate. no it isn't. It's the default position regarding any question of existence. If someone asserts something exists, they need to provide evidence that it exists, or their assertion can be summarily dismissed.
All that exists is energy, matter (a condensed form of energy), and consciousness. Maybe someday you'll be able to grasp the big picture. Your left brain has you bamboozled. You're ignoring the sublime truth about reality and confining your scope to the limitations of up-front perception. Moreover, the claim that our reality is a virtual reality is likely one that you are also inclined to readily dismiss.
