The Trump defense for dummies...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Here is the summary of Trump's defense

    1- The Bidens
    : The case is based on "Hunter Biden made too much money". Huh? That's the only valid point in the defense. Because we know that the UE, UN authorities and many western leaders wanted Sholkin out. And not because he was investigating Burisma, but because he wasn't. He was dragging his feet in investigating obvious corruption in many Ukranian corporations. Biden bragged about removing Sholkin... of course! He got rid of a corrupt prosecutor. So that's not going to go far. Unless they can explain how the fact that Hunter Biden made "too much money" is of any relevance.

    2- On the facts: They basically claim that it's just a "misunderstanding". That Trump actually wanted to fight corruption. We have multiple witnesses that contradict this. But.... for some reason not explained in their defense, their testimony is not valid. They testified under oath that Trump couldn't care less about corruption. He didn't want an investigation. He just wanted the announcement of an investigation. All the evidence on hand supports this. But it can be definitely corroborated by Bolton. They have already preemptively started attacking Bolton. Who is easy to attack, given that he's a D-B. But not stupid enough to lie under oath. However there is one witness who could rebut Bolton: Mulvaney! Would Republicans call him? Or course not! Because they know Trump is guilty. So, bottom line, Sokolov's case falls completely to pieces if Bolton is called. Or... who knows... maybe he corroborates that there is no "there" there, and Trump is saved. Laughable but not impossible.

    3- The process: They had a taste today of how ridiculous they sound attacking the process. Nobody cares about the process! People care about the facts. if they were ill-gotten, then they can accuse whoever broke the law. But attacking the process is so ridiculous, even Republicans are abandoning that tactic. Trump's defense has impeached President Biden, President Mueller, President Schiff, President Whistelblower... but they haven't defended Trump much. And it looked as ridiculous as it sounds.

    4- Dershowitz: It's all they are left with. Unless they can stop witnesses from being called (and 75% of Americans believe that they should be called), Dershowitz's argument that "A President cannot be impeached for abuse of power" is the only thing they have left. And make no mistake, they will go with that. All 53 of them. So you need to be prepared. Next week you might be waking up in a country in which it's ok for a President to abuse his powers any way he or she sees fit. So long as, according to Dersh, "it's not a crime". Forget about "crime like". Because what Trump did is very much "crime-like". Just that it's not a crime, they say. They can just go golfing for a year and let the office abandoned, because golfing is not a crime. And, of course, they could pressure foreign leaders to help in their re-elections efforts, with the only condition that they don't utter the words "quid pro quo" or anything similar.

    If there are no witnesses, they'll just go with the "misunderstanding" excuse. Trump loyalists don't need an excuse. But this might fool some Americans. But if witnesses like Bolton and Mulvaney are called, they will have to rely on the Dershowitz rule.

    In any of the above cases, they will get 53 votes. Make no mistake about it. They had already made up their minds months ago. This is only to determine how corrupt they will look before thinking Americans.
     
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    :rolleyes:
    He argued against Nixon's impeachment as well. He thinks the president is a king.

    Even the Republicans wanted Nixon impeached by the time it was over. So Dershowitz was pretty much the only one.

    Listen when he is questioned by someone other than Fox and Fiends in interviews. The man is pure double talk.
     
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    The Trump defense as seen by democratic hacks bereft of real understsnding or busy dodging the reality of the Biden's clear and patently obvious violation of the emoluments clause
     
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    What does that have to do with trump using the office for personal gain in an election?

    Even if Biden is guilty of something, which is highly unlikely, it has nothing to do with trump. You don't go to other governments to do your illegal dirty work. Trump still used his office to threaten a foreign leader for personal gain.

    If they want to go after Biden or his kid, then why don't they file legal charges?
     
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    Thanks for the comedy.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You have proven my point as I wrote it on the OP! Did you do that unwittingly, or is it possible you actually agree with me?
     
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    Not even capable of constructing a rebuttal. What a shock.
     
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    I appreciate the comedic stylings of the OP. It's Adam Schiffesque. Too funny.
     
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    You're welcome! I aim to please... trolls and serious posters alike.
     
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    Now that's funny. You completely misrepresented everything.
     
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    No. It is based on Hunter making too much money from a Ukrainian energy company while hsi father had an obvious and stated influence on the investigation of that company.
    The facts are that no one knows what Trump was thinking except Trump
    I care about the process. I stated my objections during the impeachment. At that time, I stated that the democrats could go to court to get witnesses.
    Polls tend to be responded in the way the questions are asked. Without knowing how the question was asked or what the interviewer said in addition to the question, the poll does not mean much. Anyway, the general public is not the jury.
     
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    You are doing an excellent comedic job.
     
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    Balderdash. You have to do the investigation before you can file the charges And since the crime, in whole or in part, occurred in a foreign country part of that investigation will have to be in that country. And the president, as America's chief law enforcement officer, is well within his rights to set up cooperation for such an investigation with his counterpart in that country.
     
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    I see. So you agreed with me unwittingly. I'll take it anyway.....
     
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    I'll wait till you read the rest of the point. No rush. Take your time. Just make sure you understand it.
     
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    I read and understood it. Just because you are long winded does not mean I have to be to make my point.
     
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    Why thank you! Nothing better than approval from the butt of the joke.

    Good sport!
     
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    Oh. Ok. Then you know your point is answered there. Thanks for the feedback.
     
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    I noticed that you have not disagreed with my point.
     
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    Of course not! At least as far as your comment of point 1. Other than the word "No" everything else is in my post. But, of course, if you read the point you know that already.
     
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    Whatever floats your boat. Keep the comedy coming.
     
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    Yes. Trump has fiduciary responsibility for how US foreign aid paid for by US taxpayers is administered. Ensuring that there is ongoing efforts investigate corruption in the country receiving aid is part of that responsibility. How much previous aid wound up in Hunter Biden’s pocket?
     
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    I see that as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    Nonsense. The investigation is into corruption in a country noted for corruption and the President of that country is a natural suspect of being involved in that corruption himself. The FBI had and has standard protocols in place to do sensitive investigations like that which are in accordance with already made agreements and recognized international law. The President's actions are in fact counterproductive if he was really interested in corruption and make no sense whatsoever unless he wanted to illegally pressure Zelensky to conduct a fake investigation on trumped-up charges. Trump's own words on this leave no doubt whatsoever as to his real intentions anyway.
     
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    :roflol::applause::roflol::applause:
     

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