Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Yup. Of course the government controls Most of the money. But the hospitals are a mix of private corporations owned and run by churches and other charitable organizations, public, managed by the government directly, and others. This is just like the US, where public run VA and military hospitals and public clinics, and private non profit charitable classified organizations in the US .
    Its physically impossible for all to be managed by the government. Not only that, but the logistics of “ owning “ hospitals in many locations by the government isn’t practical.

    The difference is the funding of patient care comes from the public funds in Canada for the most part but in the US by private insurance for the most part.

    Because it’s in the interest of the public to be highly government regulated, it’s done in both countries....more so since Obamacare here. Hospitals in the US are physically moving towards universal healthcare service, the funding will eventually be that way too. In our state, one private non profit has bought out most of the hospitals already. It allows specialists to move from one hospital to another instead of working out of one practice. The government is fine with it. It makes regulation and funding logistically easier.
     
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    Ha ha
    The regs are ALREADY THERE. They have been for decades. They aren’t being enforced. Never had. You have communities entirely dependent on illegal immigrant labor to bring produce to market for example...and construction and daily service work. The governments, feds and local, has long been reluctant to destroy local economies no matter how much the right whines about the immigrants themselves about sanctuary cities. It ain’t happening.
     
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    So did the Nazis. NK calls itself a democratic republic...
     
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    Um, ya, they aren't being enforced because, ostensibly, its discriminatory to enforce them, as in California (which I don't understand why you deleted that from my response...). How can they be enforced when its illegal to enforce them? Surely you see a problem here...
     
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    You dont know what an IQ test is? And dont bother trying to tell me that IQ tests dont mean anything. And you dont measure the skill of a welder against the skill of a carpenter, you compare them against other welders and carpenters.
     
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    It’s not rocket science. Immigration laws are federal, not local laws. All they need to do is get a warrant and the local police will serve it.

    Otherwise, a business will fill their pool with available Americans to do a roofing job for example. If there are five positions to do the job and only two legal, guess what, the illegals get hired. If they are dependable and show up everyday, they like hundreds of others, do work that others, can’t or won’t do. Seriously, get a look at the unemployment rate. We’d go into an instant recession if 10.5 million began deportation. And, local recessions if a local did it.
    You got a real solution that actually works, cause send them back won’t. Don’t think it hasn’t been tried. Small businesses take a big hit that depend upon immigrant labor....which is most everywhere.
     
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    IQ tests only measure intelligence in certain areas and subjects. They're not all-encompassing. Nothing is.

    And you don't measure the skill of a welder against the skill of a carpenter because they're different skills. Everyone is better than others at something, which means everyone is skilled. Which was my point.
     
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    So your comparison of illegal immigrant labor to slave labor was in support of it?
     
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    I see you’re not interested in facts, just terse witticisms.
    Moving on.
     
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    IQ tests indicate how well you can answer the questions on the test. That’s it’s. If they meant something, they’d be used by someone for hiring. They aren’t in the real world.
     
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    You made the comparison... dont get mad at me for it.
     
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    No, it's not like the U.S. Most Canadian hospitals are collective producers even though they're corporate entities, their assets belong to government. A Catholic hospital in Vancouver will be rebuilt in a different location with government funds. It follows they're independent in name only.
    Wrong on both counts. Canadians choose to have decentralized government, just as we do. Their hospitals and public schools have local governance, but they follow standards set down by senior government.
    The buyer may be different, but the means of production are collective.
     
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    IQ is meaningless? Absurd.
     
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    No. You can make up all the names you want but you only have two names to choose from, public and private.
    “Collective” seems to be the word of choice when it’s not even an official term. It’s just the antithesis of individualism. Unlike you, I’m not going to make it more then it is.

    Either a hospital is owned by the government, or it isn’t, which makes it private. Non profit can apply church groups, charity and volunteer non profits etc, who may manage them Hospitals in both the US and Canada are a combination. Go ahead , play the game if it makes you feel better.

    “Catholic hospital in Vancouver will be rebuilt in a different location with government funds. It follows they're independent in name only.”

    No, it’s not independent in one respect because all hospitals are regulated. But, the management is private....they are managed privately. That’s a big difference. It’s the same difference that exists here between Bethesda Naval Hospital pand Mass General as far as management is concerned. I Worked in government run hospitals during a war.

    Please, don’t confuse public schools with private hospitals.
     
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    I think, in the MAGA mindset, back before IQ tests were determined meaningless, it gave the right a chance to pigeon hole and categories people unfairly.
     
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    Sorry, that would violate some corporate law.s. As non profits, assets including taxable property and equipment are subject to reduced tax burden because they are owned by a non profit. . Plus, there is a different liability structure between government owned and private owned hospitals.

    Lastly,
     
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    You just don't "get it." A socialist enterprise can make a profit.
     
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    You wouldn't be the first. Fey middle class Westerners who imagine themselves 'socialist' never do agree with the reality. They always favour the pretendies version, because it's the least disruptive to cushy capitalist lifestyles.
     
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    Sure. Small surpluses are important to cover the productivity gap left by the young/aged/sick. But that's still subsistence, because it doesn't extend beyond the collective.
     
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    You want them earning less, be honest.

    Ours as in my country, my statistics.
     
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    We have never discussed the mix of public and private (which ALL nations with nationalised healthcare have) hospitals. Not once. You are most definitely not addressing anything I've posted. Every time you make something up, or bizarrely change the topic, you look silly. It's not helping your game at all.

    In the meantime, I've spent years in these forums trying to convince Americans that nationalised health doesn't mean no private hospitals. Years patiently explaining that it means both private and public, and that we are free to choose either.
     
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    Well gosh, that must mean they are! Seriously?

    The only thing socialist about China is the culture, not the govt. Poorer families still practice collectivism via multigenerational living and/or multigenerational farming/business.
     
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    Collectivism is the key. And it's an economic model, not a 'who owns the corporation' model.

    It's a model predicated on subsistence level, full participation and common purse.
     
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    Ah yes .. obviously.
     
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    No, let's not move on.
     

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