Islamic origins

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    Daniel "Dan" Gibson (born 1956) is a self-published Canadian author studying the early history of Arabia and Islam. Gibson is the son and grandson of two British-Canadians who were both interested in the archaeology and history of the Holy Land and he inherited their interests. Gibson visited the Arabian peninsula for the first time in his early twenties. After Upper Canada College, Gibson researched the history of the Arabian peninsula. With his family, he lived for over 20 years in various countries of the Near East.


     
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    Ok, so what's going on here?!
    Let's see if we can wrap it up.

    We've gotten a fair look at the academics, research, etc. Now we need a presenter, someone to pull this little docudrama together. Where is Paul Harvey when you need him? We are stuck with Jay.
    There is a reason I picked Smith. He is the guy with the maps. Maps I could not have shown you any other way.

    *popcorn everyone?*


     
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    Tom Holland

    He then went on to Queens' College, Cambridge, graduating with a 'Double First' (first-class honors in both parts I and II of the course of study in the English Tripos). He began working on a Ph.D. on Lord Byron from Oxford University, but soon quit after deciding that he was "fed up with universities

    Author of Rubicon: The Last Years Of The Roman Empire, and, Persian Fire: The First World Empire
     
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    You may wish to peruse those past posts (yikes! I put up 7 on this topic) before going on to the videos. jez sayin'
     
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    Then how about mixing up a 5-pound batch of consciousness that includes a good percentage of meaning and purpose. Lately some experts have expressed their disenchantment with the best of physics because there has been so little progress in several decades, and the mathematical proofs of accepted cutting edge concepts require absurd volumes of calculations. They are leaning towards the suspicion that there has to be something more fundamental that is missing, and that the discovery of a deeper fundamental can't be achieved without giving due consideration of consciousness.

    You are only pointing out what you think is the nature of reality. You are grossly unaware of what makes up reality. You rely entirely on a superficial understanding of physical reality because it's most relevant to operational assessment of the surrounding environment. However, the surroundings are made up of mostly empty space and transient energy fields. By comparison, if an atom located in Washington DC is enlarged until the nucleus is the size of an orange, its nearest electron is in Chicago. Behind the scenes, there is no solid matter and there are no particles.

    The components of atoms (protons, neutrons, and electrons) are combinations of quarks. Science has confirmed that a limited percentage of quarks are taking turns popping in and out of existence. Thus objective physical reality is a somewhat arbitrary construct, i.e. it has a subjective basis.

    Light is a wave/particle duality. It can function as waveform energy having a particular frequency value and it can manifest physically as a particle (photon). If a photon is forced to randomly choose one of two available openings to pass thru, it prefers to go thru both of them simultaneously as waveform energy and then interact as two sets of colliding waves and produce an interference pattern with some waves reinforced (in sync) and others canceling out (out of sync). However, if a detector is utilized to indicate passage of the photon thru one of the two openings, the light refuses to go thru both openings simultaneously as waveform energy and displays a simpler pattern of bands, i.e. not an interference pattern [This is the notorious double-slit experiment].

    The kind of pattern produced can be controlled by turning the detector on or off. How does the light know what the detector is doing? Nobody seems to have a convincing answer. Some say the act of measurement makes the process determinant, i.e. narrows the probabilities, which is a way for the hardliners to avoid the word subjective. Others claim that measurement alone is not the only factor, since erasure of the detector data before anyone is consciously aware of the data has the same effect as turning off the detector.

    Jumping further into intangible territory, those who indulge in altered states of consciousness claim to have challenged the "larger consciousness system" with task scenarios that elicit advisory decisions and found it responsive in ways suggesting that it is running like scripts. That's just another hint that we may be living in a virtual reality.

    This world is our kindergarten. Those who are closer to the top of the class didn't get that way by staying as you are.
     
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    Thats right, if you were testifying as an expert witness and you said you could see an electron they haul you out on purgery charges, because what you see is an event that is hypothesized to be an electron and have no proof what so ever that it in fact IS an electron, or that they even exist for that matter.

    The irony of course is that is the same reasoning and circumstances that theists use in claiming the existence of God, yet neoatheists and atheists alike claim science is not a religion despite the the rationale is identical.
     
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    of course I have. It's amusing you think playing another word game makes you less wrong, lol.
    which is correct.
    strawman. I addressed and refuted your claim by providing the actual definitions.
    yes, we know you like to make up your own definitions for things. The actual definition, as I have presented to you a dozen or more times, is the lack of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    Missed 6 of your posts, sorry. Reading them now. Watching videos minus one :(
     
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    nothing here contradicts what I said. Consciousness is part of matter/energy

    none of this contradicts anything I said either.
     
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    Minus one? Is one failing to open? Which one?

    I tried to set up the Smith video with the research that supports it. very important! :wink:

    btw thanks for the interest in the material I posted
     
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    The video we both posted, of course. Tom Holland's.

    So far I was only interested in the origins of Christianity. The material you posted offered a glimpse into a whole new world just begging to be explored.
     
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    Yes, I finished my postings, took a break, and went back to view your video, realized we had posted the same video but it was too late to delete mine.
    there seems to be a fair number of posters on this board who are knowledgeable of Christianity. I haven't yet seen any threads on Christian historicity/archaeology, but I'm betting if you posted the question you'd get takers!

    in the meantime if you have any questions or wish to discuss the information I posted, I'll be here :wink:
     
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    If all that exists is confined to objective physical reality, then how is it possible that remote viewers can perceive site information and activities therein, sometimes a few months or years before the future comes to pass? It is apparent that we are more than our physical bodies.

    Mired in left-brain empiricism, perhaps you can come up with an explanation of how blood flows uphill from stigmata on the feet of the person lying flat with the toes pointing towards the ceiling.
     
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    They can’t.

    It doesn’t.
     
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    So I have just reviewed this video. Very informative, a good presentation.

     
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    I spotted yet another problem - on pages 11-12.

    Muhammad is supposed to have been illiterate, but the importance of written contracts is emphasized in the Quran. Literacy is taken for granted. Odd.
     
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    The matter of agriculturalists cannot be overlooked. If Mohammed was speaking to agriculturists then something is off and that must be explored.

    Enter Dan Gibson. I watched another video of his last night. I believe that Gibson has scientifically resolved this issue.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/islamic-origins.566929/page-8#post-1071389868

    Of course this realization raises umpteen questions. How did Muslim historians forget this history? Why wasnt it included in the Quran or ahadith? Was it intentionally obscured? Why? How? By whom? And by extension, what do we truly know about Muhammad and the "believers movement" (per Donner) that he started?

    Smith discusses it briefly in the video that I posted earlier. In the above video, Gibson gives us a much more detailed look at the whys and hows of how this came about.
     
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    Just finished watching Gibson's documentary. Impressive. I noticed something he didn't tell explicitly, but it's there nonetheless: one would expect the oldest mosques to be in the Arabian Peninsula - not China or Egypt - but they're not there.

    A dispute over the holy places in the Muslim world could lead to a devastating war, with Jordan and Saudi Arabia each claiming supremacy. Religious wars are not a thing of the past in the Middle East.
     
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    theism is the default religion, because by definition newborn babies lack disbelief in G/god or gods and you cant prove differently.
     
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    This moronic assertion has been refuted already. Theism takes an active belief in a god or gods. Atheism is the opposite, which is lack of belief in a god or gods.
    You lose.
     
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    but rahl,

    "theists lack belief that G/god(s) dont exist"

    so you are saying its the 'logical' opposite? That:

    "theists lack belief that G/god(s) do exist"? :icon_jawdrop:

    Seriously?
     
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    Which is grammatically incorrect. Theism takes an active belief.

    Theism requires an active belief. The opposite of theism is atheism, which is a lack of belief.
     
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    WTF? Oh its back to martian grammar, well I am not familiar with rahleology or martian grammar, I only know its 100% perfect grammar in the english language.

    Even if you could make a case that theism requires an active belief it has no bearing on the FACT that theists lack belief in the nonexistence of God, that is a FACT that stands regardless how someone gets to that point.
    Making **** up again? It can, in fact it is, was, and can be purely instinctual no active belief required.
    The opposite of atheism is theism, which is a lack of belief in the nonexistence of God.
    regardless of the nonsensical political rhetoric you post.
     
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    Sure but even someone that goes to Hell ends up in Heaven according to Islam. There is no eternal punishment. That's only a concept in Christianity and even then, there is no Biblical basis for Hell.
     
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    You have to keep in mind the context of the conversation (mind control) .. it matters little to my argument if it is "eternal punishment" - or just really nasty punishment for a really long time. Nor does it matter whether there is a biblical basis for hell. It is what people believe.
     

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