As a non-partisan, I saw the SOTU address as a declaration of war...

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  1. TedintheShed

    TedintheShed Banned

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    What are "traditional American values"?

    Is that genocide of the American Indian?

    Is it slavery?

    Is it unequal treatment of women?

    Is it waging an unnecessary war?

    Perhaps it is being engaged in some form of warfare for the last 200 years?

    Be careful using that word "traditional".

    Rush is a hawkish crony-capitalist so I don't hold him in the same regard as you.

    Unless you think that is "traditional American values?"
     
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    A bill can not become law until the president signs it. Once signed, he owns it, and the deficits that go with them. Republicans controlled the house and senate for 2 of trumps 3 budgets. And republicans control the senate and white house for this latest budget. Republicans are ENTIRELY to blame for the deficit.

    This is basic 6th grade civics.
     
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    awesome. refuted by the fact republicans killed EVERY single bill from 2001-2007 to try and regulate fanny/freddy.


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    no it doesn't.
    raising the minimum wage does not crash the economy, lol.


    again, I have no idea what this deflection has to do with anything I've said.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My mother had a bank account in the 1950's. I don't know what your talking about.
     
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    No kidding.
     
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    Being wrong about everything defines left fringe cultism.
     
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    Everything I posted is objective and demonstrable fact.

    here’s the congressional voting record for every bill from 2001-2007, all of which killed by republicans.

    https://financialservices.house.gov...11/timeline_for_fannie_freddie_regulation.pdf

    I’m sorry reality always tends to clash with conservative ideology. I really am. But that won’t make facts go away.
     
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    Those two things in conjuction are as likely as Jupiter orbiting earth. There are simply is no support and more importantly no incentive in DC for reducing spending.
     
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    Very disturbed thinking.

    American values, beliefs:

    * small government
    * maximum freedom
    * individualism
    * the Judeo-Christian tradition, values
    * self-reliance
    * equality of opportunity (not equality of results)
    * fair and open competition, free enterprise
    * the American Dream
    * a strong work ethic
    * a meritocracy
    * volunteerism and private charity
    * mobility - freedom to move
    * informality - no rigid class structure
    * optimism, progress

    That's a pretty good list. It took me 5 minutes; I might be missing some things.
     
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    I think it's republican code for gay marriage. They conveniently forget how far we've come from the ridiculously bad stuff we went through.
     
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    That may be, but she needed her father's or her husband's permission to do so. She wasn't allowed to open on by herself.
     
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    You cannot demonstrate this to be true.
     
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    I agree
     
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    1974: Equal Credit Opportunity Act passes in the US. Until then, banks required single, widowed or divorced women to bring a man along to cosign any credit application, regardless of their income. They would also discount the value of those wages when considering how much credit to grant, by as much as 50%.
     
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    How does this prove your plenary claim that every bank would not allow any woman to open an account w/o her husband or father?
     
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    "In the 1960s women gained the right to open a bank account. Shortly after, in 1974, the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed which was supposed to prohibit credit discrimination on the basis of gender. Before its passage, many banks granted credit cards to women only with their husbands' signatures and outright refused to issue them to unmarried women."

    https://ballotpedia.org/Equal_Credit_Opportunity_Act
     
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    Sorry, it was the UK for bank accounts and credit cards, US for credit cards.

    The US started giving women agency regarding their own money & property around 1900. Still a problem, though. It was a traditional American value for a very long time, which was my main point. At the very core, traditional American value is related to white male property owner's rights. The values have been evolving since. When someone says "traditional American values," you have to ask them which year they are referring to. Almost certainly, whatever year they name will have values that we consider horrifying in today's world.
     
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    I think you’re talking about credit cards. Banks always could issue credit cards to women, but it wasn’t until 1974 that it was illegal to deny a credit card to a woman without her husband’s signature.

    As far as I know, women have always been allowed to have a savings or checking account.
     
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    In terms of employees, the federal government stopped growing in its ratio to the U.S. population, during the LBJ era, with the occasional upsurge in military forces depending upon our overseas deployments and the TSA creation.
     
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    The House creates and passes the budget. The House is controlled by Democrats. What's wrong with them?

    This is basic 6th grade civics.
     
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    "Many banks". "Credit cards".
    Nowhere here is there proof of the claim regarding all banks, all women, and all accounts.
     
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    They didn't until 2018. The federal budget runs October 1st to September 30th of the following year. Thus, the first Democratic House budget is the current year. Prior Trump budgets are the responsibility of a Republican House.
     
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    In terms of rights in the United States, always only applies to white male property owners. Women didn't start getting agency over their property until the late 1800's/early 1900's.
     
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    Incorrect. The senate has to pass the house bill first. A bill can not become law until the president signs it. Once signed, he owns it, and the deficits that go with them. Republicans controlled the house and senate for 2 of trumps 3 budgets. And republicans control the senate and white house for this latest budget. Republicans are ENTIRELY to blame for the deficit.

    This is basic 6th grade civics.
     
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    Incorrect.

    https://johnlewis.house.gov/federal-budget-process
     

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