POLITICSSurvey Finds People Who Identify as Left-Wing More Likely to Have Been Diagnosed With a Ment

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  1. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    When you can't prove your opinions on those studies they have no merit.

    Come back when you can back up your claims on each of those studies as being "flawed" beyond your unsupported opinion.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I ran through your links
    • One is from 2002 about patients that are institutionalized voting for parties that they feel will help their situation — this is not a poll of the general population
    • One concluded “personality traits do not cause people to develop political attitudes.”
    • One recruited people from reddit... “as a correlational study, it cannot directly show that there are any causal relationships between the variables.”
    • One discusses mental health stigma and doesn’t address any correlation between rates of mental illness and political ideology
    • One was a surveymonkey poll
    Each of these are self assessment tests, it could mean liberals are more likely to have a mental illness, it could mean liberals are more likely to believe they have mental illness, it could mean conservatives are liars, it could mean liberals are more aware of their being than conservatives...

    One aspect I found interesting is that conservatives rate their overall level of physical health to be higher than liberals do yet the most conservative areas of the nation have the highest instances of health related issues including obesity and diabetes while the inverse is true of the most liberal areas. Which would make a non-biased person question the overall methodology...

    It would be interesting to see a psychological assessment of the general population of people that identify at various points of political ideology but none of your “studies” (most are simply online polls) do this.
     
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    The obvious conclusions are that Republicans lie in polls. And we know that because they lied about their support of trump and even bragged about it later.

    Secondly, righties are far less likely to seek help when they need it . As a consequence, they are untreated and far more dangerous to society.

    A great example is trump. He is clearly mentally damaged, pathological, insecure, and fantastically fearful with a very low self image. But you can be sure he would never seek help; nor will the people who vehemently support him.

    He also has the heart of a cold-blooded killer, but that's another topic.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn’t say the studies have no merit, I said your poll has no merit because there is no control or participant limitation.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just did, do you understand how google documents work?
     
  6. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its extremely difficult to prove causality-the study I linked to, as well as the OP's are only noting the correlation.
     
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    Why would you want a participant limitation.

    How do you know there's no control.
     
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    They are making assumptions about the correlation...

    Most of yours had a decent amount of variable control and user definition — @guavaball ’s self assessment test did not.

    The premise is interesting, and might be true — I have no idea — but the op is flawed from the onset.
     
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    Hmmm. Were you attempting to make someone else appear mentally unstable?
     
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    Do you understand how google docs work?
    Especially when reporting results back to the creator?

    There is no way to make sure the person answering is doing so truthfully, there is no way to limit the number of times a participant takes the study, there is no way to verify the responses, oftentimes there is no way to even prove it is an actual person taking the assessment — a script is very easily written...

    Thus, invalid.
     
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  11. US Conservative

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    I think you are making assumptions about a widely studied phenomenon.

    You are thinking causality, when the data is noting a correlation.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Direct correlation is one of the numerous variables these self assessments could be showing — I have already listed numerous other potential correlations.
     
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    Oh i think they know they are full of it but need a reason to get at ya. Just post some stalin memes and show how similar the op is to Stalin ;)
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What? Why would you compare the OP to a communist?
    @guavaball may be many things — communist isn’t one of them.
     
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    It's also worth noting that while a person may take issue with the poll in the OP, or with one of the various other links provided backing it up, the fact that so many sources are noting the same thing gives the issue (and the OP) more merit. Or in simpler terms ---- where there's smoke there's usually fire.

    Two things are apparent in the OP and this thread:
    1) the poll in the OP doesn't appear to be an outlier, and
    2) the poll results left vs right / mental illness vs none in the OP aren't even close, meaning even if we assume a huge margin of error it still points to more mental illness the farther left on the political spectrum we go.

    It's not for nothing that the left are the ones to get "triggered", and the left are the ones referred to as "snowflakes", and the left are the ones who can go into a rage/panic at the sight of a red hat. None of that implies mental stability.....
     
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    Just saying....

     
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    A couple of problems with this.

    1. The website that conducted this survey is run by some fundy Christian nut.
    2. The second website sites the first.

    You can easily find polls that show a correlation between conservatism and low emotional intelligence.

    https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/emotional-intelligence-conservative

    You can also find correlation between biology and political orientation:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_political_orientation
     
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    Very true. I'd add that many on the left believe socialism works, despite over 100 years, all over the earth proving otherwise. That is borderline delusional in my book.
     
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    The OP is absolutely an outlier, it shows borderline personality disorders in the “left” at over double that of the “right” while virtually every other study, poll, or assessment has put it around 5% to 9%.

    While the single digit variances are absolutely statistically significant on their own, they show the study in the OP to have some type of major metrics or methodology issue — which has already been highlighted.
     
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    Especially when it doesn't say what you'd like.
     
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    How do you feel about democratic socialism and variants such as compassionate capitalism that have been shown to be very effective?

    Most members of the Democratic Party are referring to the latter if you listen to what they believe — although there are always fringe members in every group. It is slightly dishonest to say that many on the left believe socialism works as most of Americans do not know the underlying principals of socialism to begin with.
     
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    He said "democratic socialism". Always makes me laugh.
     
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    I would prefer no one have mental illness.

    Furthermore your statement is incorrect, if i am shown a non-biased study with verifiable methodology that attempts to limit biases and control biases I will listen to and may even agree with the end conclusion irregardless of whether or not I personally agree with it — several posters here have made me reevaluate my positions on a variety of subjects — not everyone here is just to troll, hear themselves speak or trying to push their narrative irregardless of the facts.
     
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    Makes sence
    Here they used to say
    Left votes emotional
    Right votes logical

    Hence the saying
    when your 20 and you dont vote left you dont have a heart
    When your 40 and dont vote right you dont have a brain.

    If you let your emotion dictate your life it make sence you Got a bigger risk at certain issues :)
     
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    Why does it make you laugh?
    They are different ideologies.

    I particularly like the Nordic Model of I had to choose one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model] with a few other systems intertwined from other nations.
     
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