Does Religious Freedom Supercede Gender Identity?

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  1. Marcotic

    Marcotic Well-Known Member

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    Should doctors respect their patients? That's what this is all about. Respect. If you can't respect the beliefs of others why are do you put yourself in that position in the first place? Find a different vocation if you can't respect your patients.
     
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    we are no more a Christian nation cause the majority is Christian, then we are a white nation cause the majority is white

    we are a secular nation that support religious freedom for all American to choose for themselves, no forced religion on the people, we are not a theocracy and never will be
     
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    That's still a law targeted at religion, it doesn't matter whether it's against some or all. The law you're complaining about doesn't have anything to do with religion.
     
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, many Christians there hated Jews as they felt they killed their savior - so they either supported Hitler or looked the other way as they thought the ends justified the means
     
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  5. TheImmortal

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    So how does that go? “Okay Mrs. Jones, we are going to perform your prostate exam now.”

    Or “Yes sir I understand you’re a man but we need to discuss your period and ovarian cancer because you’re showing signs of ovarian and cervical cancer.” “But i’m a man.” “No actually you’re not. You’re a woman with ovaries and a cervix.”

    Do you understand how retarded that is?
     
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  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why should they have to say what kinda wedding it is, the cake does not change, same cake being sold

    it doesn't magically become a hetero or homo wedding cake, it's just a wedding cake either way
     
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  7. TheImmortal

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    The word unofficial is in reference to the declarations made, not the piece about this being a Christian nation.
     
  8. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

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    Because he doesn’t care about what sex they are. He cares that he’s participating in something against his religion.
     
  9. TheImmortal

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    So let me make sure I understand your position. You believe that we can’t make laws explicitly prohibiting religion, but we can make laws which force people to violate their religious tenants because the majority voted to do so?
     
  10. FreshAir

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    yet, the right votes for the adulterer Trump
     
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    Post from a legal dictionary what you’re trying to convey, because everything I research basically says the High Courts set the Precedence in which lower courts must adhere to.

    What is Precedent in law
    Legal precedent means that a decision on a certain principle or question of law has already been made by a court of higher authority, such as an appeals or supreme court. Following such a decision, lower courts defer to, or adhere to, that prior decision in similar cases. The decisions of lower courts may be used as precedent for courts of similar jurisdiction, but higher courts are not bound by the decisions of lower courts.

    In the U.S. legal system, there is a principle that compels judges to respect the precedent established by prior decisions on similar cases. This principle is known as “stare decisis” (Latin). This means that courts should adhere to precedent, and not stir the pot on matters already settled.

    What is a Precedent?

    Precedent is a legal principle, created by a court decision, which provides an example or authority for judges deciding similar issues later.
    Generally, decisions of higher courts (within a particular system of courts) are mandatory precedents on lower courts within that system. That means the principle announced by a higher court must be followed in later cases.
     
  12. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

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    Because you do not vote for a president based upon his personality, you vote on him based upon the policies he will enact. And he’s far closer to being correct on policy matters than ANYONE son the left. And it’s not even close.
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    I am not of a religious faith. Men are men and women are women and I will use correct terminology.
     
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    Well, we will see if this case gets elevated in the federal judicial system to set precedence.

    Girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

    The families of three female high school runners have filed a federal lawsuit seeking to block transgender athletes in Connecticut from participating in girls sports
    By
    PAT EATON-ROBB AP Sports Writer
    February 12, 2020, 1:31 PM
    4 min read
     
  15. yguy

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    to cavil over it? Certainly I agree, but your behavior says otherwise.
    Umm, yeah, do me a favor, and don't do me any favors.
    lol
    Not sure what the referent is supposed to be, but it can't be anything I responded to, as you made universal claims that don't apply universally.
    It's not simple at all, because it depends on the belief in question as juxtaposed against the "everything else" in question.
    Catering to another's delusion is unkind and disrespectful.
    If the senior in question chooses to be called Emperor of the Universe, what else can it be?
    It may foreclose their final chance at regaining their sanity.
    You have no idea what you're talking about.
    Indeed, that option is hardly limited to the religious when the law in question is unconstitutional.
    So would a law prohibiting any mention of God not count as secular?
     
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    I don't need a law to force anyone to refer to me by my preferred pronouns. If you refer to me as if I were a woman, I will either hit you, laugh or walk away - depending on the context - I may do all three, but I don't want to infringe on your legal right to say it.
     
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    Once again you are CHERRY PICKING!

    Not only did Brewer CLARIFY his own meaning but in subsequent SCOTUS DECISIONS Scalia, O'Conner, Kennedy and Chief Justice Rehnquist all REFUTED the absurdity of this being a "christian nation". Scalia REJECTED it as "nothing but an invitation to judicial lawmaking" because it VIOLATED the philosophy of "textualism" and Kennedy rejected as an ABUSE of the secular nature of Congress by the Courts. "I should think the potential of this doctrine to allow judges to substitute their personal predilections for the will of the Congress is so self-evident from the case which spawned it as to require no further discussion of its susceptibility to abuse."

    But don't let the FACTS stop you from believing debunked nonsense about the SCOTUS.

    :roflol:
     
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    Utterly DEBUNKED in post #217 above.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...gender-identity.567960/page-9#post-1071425082
     
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    Complete and utter nonsensical drivel!

    Immutable means that something cannot be changed!

    People change their religious beliefs ALL the time.
     
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    Are people who are born as hermaphrodites men or women?
     
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    :roflol:

    Another load of bollocks!

    Did the farmer who grew the grapes and made the wine that was drunk at the wedding PARTICIPATE "in something against his religion"?

    Did the rental company clerk that provided the limo that was used at the wedding PARTICIPATE "in something against his religion"?
     
  22. FatBack

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    The minute and rare amounts that occur, are whatever they strongly ID with. Are you saying all gender Id challenged, are hermaphrodites?
     
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    You are confusing COMMERCE and RELIGION!

    Engaging in commerce where you provide SERVICES and/or PRODUCTS to the public falls under the COMMERCE clause of the Constitution and therefore it is a violation of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS to DISCRIMINATE against any customers.

    That theists are demanding that their religion gives them a "right" to discriminate is a violation of the basic principle that EVERYONE is EQUAL under the Law of the Land.

    Your personal beliefs END where everyone else's rights BEGIN!
     
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    Rarity is NOT the issue!

    That people are BORN as hermaphrodites NEGATES the binary definition of male and female.

    Someone can be born with female sex organs but have a mental orientation of being male and vice versa.

    Why do you allow hermaphrodites to be "whatever they strongly ID with" but not transgender's?

    What is the difference when it comes to "whatever they strongly ID with"?
     
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    If you look down and see a penis and testicles, you are a male. What does a true hermaphrodite, have to do with people who cant understand their, clearly formed, parts? I guess you are attempting to say they are, remotely similar?
     

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