Virginia house passes national popular vote bill.

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  1. Vote4Future

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    Virginia is going to have it's own civil war soon and the north (Northern Virginia) will lose.

    Plus, the Supreme Court will shoot this down big time.
     
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    Bet they don't.
     
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    States have the absolute authority how to allocate their electoral votes. Now I personally think that these states should start giving their EC votes to the popular vote winner already instead of waiting for it to be a guarantee
     
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    you do realize that this was passed by just a handful of people rather than a vote of the people...

    not very democratic...
     
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    ironic that they boast giving all of their votes to the popular winner, while not caring if the popular vote of their state was for some other candidate...

    zero democracy in that ideal...
     
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    For those doubting the Supreme Court's authority to overturn:

    The Compact Clause of the Constitution states that "no state shall, without the consent of Congress enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power." The courts have ruled in the past that if federal supremacy is threatened, then congressional consent is required for a compact to be valid.
     
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    VA is a majority blue state and this win in all areas of government is a mandate for them to completely liberalise the state and pass things supported by liberals, progressives and democrats, and by losing, it was a mandate for Conservatives and GOPer's to suck it up.
     
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    But the EC has nothing to do with federal power as such the feds have no claim to intervene. The words could not be clearer it is 100% up to the state legislatures to decide the electors.
     
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    thats not democracy that totalitarianism...

    the state should have put that referandum up to a public vote of the residents of virginia...

    i'll wager that most (as in the majority) of virginians wouldnt want this... even those that are registered dems dont approve of this tactic... it is anti-democratic
     
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    Just like California, legalized vote harvesting and forced voting will be next. Soon 98% of the nation's vote will be Democrat and the 2% that refuse will be punished, just like how iraq used to be.
     
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    not whem they enter into a pact with other state(s)...
    15+ states agreed to give all their ec's to the same candidate regardless of whom their residents actually voted for...

    that's a defacto pact, ergo unconstitutional...
     
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    Nice try, but they are voting to enter in a compact clause with other states. Doesn't matter about federal power over the EC.
     
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    A compact in the constitutional sense meant trade or military alliances between states, the compact in the legislation simply means when the threshold is met the legislation goes into effect. Same as the laws that ban abortion after the supreme court overturns roe.
     
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    I support bills that allow for discrimination based on political affiliation and go back to open ballot where you stand in line and place it in an open box.
     
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    Unconstitutional. The constitution defines a presidential election by the states, not the public. It won't stand. No checks and balances in virginia.
     
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    It is completely up to the state legislature. They can do what ever they want. Funny how proponents of the EC fail to understand just how open the clause is.
     
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    Sure you will also support vote harvesting and forced voting when Democrats decide to pass it.
     
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    not vote harvesting but mandatory voting 100%. It is the best way to get voices heard.

    Automatic voter registration once someone turns 18 and required to vote and making voting day a holiday.
     
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    California has vote harvesting and you will support it when Democrats bring it to Virginia to secure their power.

    Forcing people to vote. How Democrat of you.

    Why force people who don't know what they are voting for to vote?

    It's like Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
     
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    Except that it is unconstitutional and won't stand.
     
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    A republican majority in 2004. Virginia went Republican in that election. But it could happen, and if it does, those Virginia voters are disenfranchised.
     
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    Abolishing the EC does not creat a pure democracy. The EC only elects the executive branch. The 3 branches still exist. The problem we have is that we have given too much power to the executive branch.
     
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    Democrats feel they have the popular vote locked up because of vote harvesting operations in California.
     
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    Democrats are trying to fundamentally transform America into a global socialist police state run by oligarchs out of Europe. This is how. Your leaders will be selected by the oligarchs running the vote harvesting operations.
     
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