Weather station in Antarctica records high of 65, the continent's hottest temperature ever

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  1. MrTLegal

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    1) I am limiting myself to 10k years because I am not worried about protecting the Earth. The Earth will be fine regardless of how badly we **** up the planet. The currently existing plants and animals - not so much. Also, 10K is the timeframe for modern human civilization. So, again, do you actually believe that the Earth is warming and is the rate of warming over the last 100 years any different from the previous 10,000.

    2) Albedo is not "merely a concept." If the amount of albedo substantially decreases, like for example all of the white reflective surfaces from arctic regions turn into dark and more absorbant surfaces like ocean saltwater, then the Earth warms. If the amount of Aerosols in the atmosphere increase to a point where they either eat through the ozone layer, that results in more warming. Alternatively, Aerosols could either darken the atmosphere or act like a greenhouse gas. Forests are places where CO2 gets absorbed and are generally cooler than surrounding deserts or plains.

    You answer this particular question by reducing the potential options for some of the reasons why the Earth is warming. That is the list I provided, can you think of any others.
     
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    the birds did not fly south this winter, every 30 years there is a cycle of heating.

    antarctica will be able to be colonised soon with beach weather.
     
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    How am I being disingenuous? This is the study that NASA just published.

    Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

    As for "none of which puts the onus on humanity," this is what NASA says - right now:



    Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming
     
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    Again, you dodged my question. How did scientists measure the average temperature from roughly 400 million years ago? Also, what was the time frame from when the CO2 dropped from 4500 to 3000 and yet the temperature increased?

    Just provide a link if you don't think you can explain the answer.

    We can measure the isotopes for the type of CO2 found in the upper atmosphere. The type of CO2 which is currently accumulating, year to year, is caused by the combustion of fossil fuels.
     
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    No. Now tell us why they claimed that they made the change.
     
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    Fake news. I didn't dodge anything, it has been explained to you on numerous occasions because you keep running in circles looking for a way to apply your political agenda where it doesn't belong.

    Measure all you want. CO2 levels have been rising and falling long before humans even walked the earth.
     
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    doesnt show the upward trend they wanted without changing the past data
     
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    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't recall ever seeing a fat doctor. But I see my point went over your head. If AGW alarmists believed it was real, they wouldn't significantly add to the problem and spend millions setting themselves up in danger zones.
     
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    What threat? A changing climate is normal, I don't feel threatened at all.
     
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    It's hot outside = global warming
    It's cold outside = global warming
    More hurricanes = global warming
    Less hurricanes = global warming
    High crime in the streets = global warming
    ISIS terror = global warming

    It's a neverending cycle of idiocy. -60°F up north last winter was blamed on global warming. It used to be funny but it's boring now, too predictable. Remember when Bernie said ISIS was acting out because they were hot and it was due to global warming?
     
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    Yes. We can send all the prisoners there to survive or die, like the British did when they sent prisoners to Australia a long time ago. Or we can leave the left to their demise here and go to Antarctica to make a normal country again. Within a year, Canada could see what it's like to have a third world country beating down their doors to get in.
     
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    That is not their quote. Tell us what they said is the reason for the adjustment.
     
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    Again, you dodged my question. How did scientists measure the average temperature from roughly 400 million years ago? Also, what was the time frame from when the CO2 dropped from 4500 to 3000 and yet the temperature increased?

    Just provide a link if you don't think you can explain the answer.
     
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    "The sky is falling, the sky is falling".

    The Story of Chicken Little:

    This is a story about a little chicken who has an acorn fall on him and thinks that the sky is falling. He rushes around in hysterics telling all of his friends, “The sky is falling! The sky is falling! And we must tell the king!” All the barnyard friends go along with Chicken Little, wandering around looking for the palace, until a fox offers to show them the way. The birds follow the fox, who then eats them. Chicken Little escapes and learns his lesson.

    Funny how childhood stories still apply today and some have never actually embraced the lessons being taught.
     
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    I am explicitly addressing your point.

    Accusations of hypocrisy is a logical fallacy. The fact that "AGW Alarmists" do not act in a manner that you believe is consistent with their believe system has zero implication on whether the argument behind AGW is valid. Hell, even if they secretly believed that AGW is a hoax, that belief system would have zero implication on whether the argument behind AGW is valid.
     
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    Do you believe that the warming trend from the last 100 years is different in any way from the climatic trend of the last 10,000 years?
     
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    Models are getting future projections right.

    Think about that.

    FUTURE PROJECTIONS.

    Professor Valentina Zharkova has models that show a very near future returning to a little ice age. The heat we're experiencing is like a teakettle that's boiling and about to be brought off the fire. You believe your government funded scientist, I'll believe my Astrophysicist.
     
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    You ignore what matters. Words like 'most' and 'likely', so the models that were wrong were what? Fraud? This is conjecture that also determines future funding, none of which provides actual proof. I also failed to see where NASA itself was using ice cores or tree rings...
     
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    To add to that, the least read book on the left is "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".
     
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    That's just it. They have no idea if it's valid or not. They just want our taxes. I don't believe it's real and I've seen no evidence to prove it's real. I've watched the Earth go into a pattern that it has been going into for billions of years. Coincidentally, the timing happens to be at a time when alarmists can scream doom porn and get paid to conjure up a solution.
     
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    If Prof. Zharkova's charts are accurate, which shows the last 10,000 years, then we just entered into a grand solar minimum and it's about to get real cold.
     
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    *sigh* Just ****ing read the link in the OP instead of thinking that you are some brilliant genius.

    When were the models released?
     
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    You know what? I hope she is correct. We can't control or affect the sun, but we can affect the climatic conditions on Planet Earth through a whole host of other methods - including greenhouse gas emissions. If the Sun is going to enter a ~450-500 year cycle where it decreases in intensity, that will mitigate some of the effects of our efforts to warm the planet in the near term and will give humanity a chance to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions before the Sun exits that cooling period.

    Because here's the rub, if the Sun does get even hotter (or it doesn't get cooler), then the effects we have had on the planet thus far will continue to get worse.
     
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