Barr says Trump's tweets about DOJ cases make it 'impossible to do my job'

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Yea, that's my theory. Or that they even went so far as to coordinate where Barr told Trump that he made a poor decision to say the silent part out loud and that Barr would need to fix it by making some type of public statement.
     
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    ....that's the obvious and only explanation.

    Good job.
     
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    I'm pretty sure trump's previous AG also scolded him.
     
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    Do you really want to argue that Barr was not reacting to trump's tweet?
     
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    So Bill Barr attacks the President for his inappropriate behavior, and yet Barr is still "in the tank" for the President? How does this compute at all? I do agree, that Trump should be quiet about all of this.
     
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    The same way German generals were in the tank for Hitler, even though they would occasionally disobey his crazier orders.
     
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    I thought that title belonged to Graham?

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    Why should he be quiet 'about all this?'
     
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    We're comparing the attorney general of the US DOJ, to a military general on the battlefield? This is what Barr is complaining about. The attack of Bias against Barr may very well not be true, but Trump's tweets make it harder to do that. Trump might not trust his subordinates, but he also gives them little reason to trust him either. Just a sad situation all around. It's really making me lean towards a Democratic successor, and I'm probably on team Bernie. So get him through the nomination.

    Note: Not that I'm a socialist, but that Bernie will also aid, albeit in less direct ways in the fight against the kleptocracy and agencies having taken over the government.
     
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    There's a whole continuum of ass-kissing behavior. Barr isn't quite a lickspittle, but he's clearly worse than a toady. He does seem to care about this one thing, though. In everything else, he's completely Trump's creature. I wonder if he resigns if Trump keeps tweeting.
     
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    No, it really isn't.

    A Cabinet offers advice, otherwise it's just an echo chamber. Which it has become under Trump.

    Also, I am amazed at how many have forgotten basic Civics in the Trump era.

    You typed that like you actually believed it.
     
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    No, I'm comparing him to people who were complete toadies to a boss (Hitler), and yet would occasionally disobey him, and even get in screaming matches with him.

    In other words, one display of independence on Barr's part does not remove the stain of asskissery. Now, if he ends up resigning, that would be something else.
     
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    Welcome to the dark side of the deep south and down here.
     
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    It is indeed, just an echo chamber. They are the ones who have forgotten it. The President establishes policy, not the underlings under the executive branch. Or when's the last time you've elected the AG of the US? Or the 'Ukrainian Special envoy'. The answer is never.
     
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    Disagreements happen with your boss happen all the time, and is perfectly natural. The main goal is that both boss/worker share the same goal: Getting the work done. And atypically, if the boss feels the worker isn't doing it the way he wants to, he's fired. That's the 9/5 world that most of us non-politicians are accustomed to, would we agree there?

    In this case, Barr is saying that the boss is undermining his ability to do the work and thus is handicapping the department(which he is.). It just fuels the fire of this speculation that Barr is "in the tank" or a "toadie" for Trump.
     
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    Barr is facing a crisis of leadership from within his own department, with reports of DoJ officials willing to stage a walkout. And so he recognized that this is one of those moments when he needed to get trump to back down at least a tiny amount just to save face.

    If he wasnt in trump's tank tho, make no mistake, he would be out of the job.
     
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    No, it really isn't, and this is the only POTUS that has treated it like it is.
     
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    I would have treated it the same. It's the CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. I know you want it to be otherwise in the realm of the resistance, but I assure you it will be an absolute nightmare to have the President be a de-facto puppet of the US Congress.
     
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    They are managers of departments to enact the president's will, who in turn is enacting the people's will. It's never an echo chamber, the president has the final say, more correctly, the only say. They serve at the president's pleasure. If someone needs a civic lesson it is you...
     
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    The sure sign of a simple mind is calling your political enemies "Hitler".
     
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    If Barr would do his job, Trump wouldn't need to tweet. If he (Barr)really believes Epstein killed himself, he should be fired. If he doesn't believe Epstein killed himself, he should be fired. We need action on these people, or our justice system is a farce.
     
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    ~ Perhaps William Barr should take a clue from the example of another outstanding Attorney General ?
    · Attorney General Eric Holder brushed off a question about when he might leave the administration. Instead, the top lawman professed his allegiance to President Barack Obama.
    " I’m still enjoying what I’m doing, there’s still work to be done. I’m still the President’s wing-man, so I’m there with my boy. So we’ll see ," Holder said in an interview with Tom Joyner.
     
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    Yes...seems the President isn't very good at cover-ups. Probably due to his all consuming ego...he has to take ALL credit...whether or not his actions are legal or illegal.
     
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    Then Trump wouldn't have an AG left. There is typically within these functions, a level of autonomy given to the head of each department. Trump(and any other executive) would like nothing more than to wash his hands of functions and leave the grunt work to the administrative heads.

    So it's more than likely true, that the President did not approach the attorney general. Because that's how these hierarchies work. What the AG is saying, is that Trump's congratulatory remarks, as well as the remarks by the House of Representatives/senators has effectively diminished the AG's role.

    And I agree with AG Barr. And for those who act like it's new, remember it was said to 'serve at the pleasure of the President." We didn't have this complaint with other Presidents. Why now? Well, we all know why. Trump.

    But Trump has undermined the function of AG Barr. And that's not tenable. It's not "okay". Democrats already attacked Barr, he doesn't need Trump to further undermine him.
     

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