Virginia house passes national popular vote bill.

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  1. bx4

    bx4 Well-Known Member

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    It is up to the states to decide how they want to elect the president. If some of the states want to give all their votes to the winner of the NPV, they can.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are talking about a singular state.
     
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    Can you cite a clause that prohibits subsidies?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I probably have more actual (not fake or situational) conservative ideals than you do but ok.

    When you have moved on from discussing the point — to avoiding questions and commenting on the assumptions you have made — you likely have no point at all.

    Cheers
     
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    That's why their citizens vote
     
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    Yep. And if some of the states decide to give all their EC votes to the winner of the NPV - that is up to those states. If the citizens of those states don’t like it they can elect state legislators who can change the law on the allocation of EC votes.

    Democracy is great, ain’t it?
     
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    If Congress had a brain, Gary Johnson! If not, Trump still would have become President based on votes of the House.
     
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    That’s pretty rude and breaks forum rules.

    If you mean I’m excited about it - I don’t know where you got that idea. All I’m saying is that it is up to each individual state to decide how they allocate their EC votes. No one approach is inherently better than any other.
     
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    Who should elect them then ?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh FFS.....how about popular vote in each state then ;) But before we do that we have to outlaw gerrymandering
     
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    How does gerrymandering affect a popular state vote?
     
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    France does. Most countries that elect presidents require the president to get a majority of votes, either through a runoff election or through an instant runoff with second and third choice votes counted.
    USA is the only country in the world in which someone can become president without getting the most votes from the voters.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You said that we have to let the states decide. We cant do that with Gerrymandering. States use the same premise as the EC to cast their “delegates”.
     
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    I said let states decide?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said why not let the people decide, you said “because states do”

    Did I misunderstand your post ?
     
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    Most do elect their head of state by the winner of the parliament (house of reps in america) electing the PM. Also France does.

    Edit most western countries have a different head of government and head of state because the head of government is meant to be above politic's and the adult in the room with powers to check the government preventing corruption and tyranny.
     
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    In order for the FedGov to do something it has to be specifically authorized to do so in the Constitution.

    Read the 10th amendment.

    They put the 10th amendment in just to make sure there was no confusion.

    Of course that doesn't stop the left though, does it??
     
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    For those who forgot, the 10th amendment makes clear that ONLY those powers expressly given to the federal government in the constitution are federal powers and only those expressly denied to the states are not powers of the states.
     
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    Perhaps you don’t understand the difference between a news paper article and an actual poll.
     
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    No it won’t. Read the Constitution.
     
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    Perhaps you'd care to hire an administrative assistant.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Right after you hire someone who knows the difference between a poll and a newspaper article.
     
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    In most western democracies, the head of government comes from the legislature.
    In some, the head of states appoints the head of government, and the legislature confirms.
    And so... in most western democracies, -no one- elects the head of government.
     
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    Um.... no.
    The actual delegates are selected by the parties; if a party wins the election, those delegates are sent to the EC.
    When you vote for President, you vote for his party's slate of delegates.
     
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    Right, to require states to proportionally allocate their own electors would definitely require action from the legislative branch.
     

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