I'm 71 and it rains less in Southern California than it use to when I took a school bus to school. We also have this "blob" of warm water raising peak high ocean temperature by 9 or 10F. When I was a kid, 69 - 70F was about as warm as the ocean by the beach became. Surf City USA, Huntington Beach surf temperature hit 80F! Moi Support Static Earth Stop Continental Drift. And Their HAARP Science. Or the collision of the Pacific Plate & North American Plate I doubt there was ever a life time when one didn't feel the climate or weather was different than it was when they were young.
No, I am not. And I mentioned it many times. SUBSIDIES. Just because I do not mention something, does not mean I am ignoring it. Now when you can show a shift away from investing in other forms of production, you might have something. But hint, no companies are avoiding investing in conventional power production. Stop trying to imply I am saying something I am not. And that's great. But stop saying that *I* am doing so. That is basically lying. Speak only for yourself, not for me. ANd think about how much geothermal energy we could tap into, if more of the Earth met the criteria required for such projects? This has not a damned thing to do with anything other than the Earth itself. For Geothermal to even work, you need a fairly unique set of circumstances first. And that means either a very thin crust, an area where a hotspot reaches up close to the surface, or some kind of magma tube reaching up that can be tapped into. You can not just put geothermal anyehere you want. Well, actually you can, but you will get nothing out of it. That is why it is the least used of all the "green energy" platforms. Heck, I even grew up in the first city in the US to use geothermal heat, and one of the first in the world. The Idaho state Capitol, the old State Prinson, and some of the most expensive houses in town are still heated that way, over 100 years later. But guess what, there is still not enough heat in that to actually produce electricity. It helps if you actually understand what is required in order to use a form of power production, and it's limitations.
This is why I am about to bail entirely out of this. I mention a single Government entity, and suddenly I am blaming "The Government". Sorry, to me this "debate" is pure coprolite. And I for one am sick and tired of seeing what I say taken entirely out of context. And it is not even close to what I say, you all just either make things up entirely, or just make up things that are not even close to what I say, you are so intent on pushing your own agendas that you ignore anything said if it does not agree with you 100%. So you all can go ahead and enjoy your own little "mental masturbation" conversation. Where you all agree with each other 100%, and nobody dares to say a single word that is not 100% in agreement. Tell each other how "woke" you all are, as you find more and more like me who actually agree with most of what you all think bail out, simply because we are sick and tired of being trashed because we do not agree with you all 100%. Enjoy, and peace out.
Are we living in the past, or the present? What does historical even matter, when we are talking about today? It does not. I do not care about historical, historical does not even matter. We are talking about the here and now. You can live in the past all you want, I live in now. Guess what, we also once had no limits on the amount of fish you could catch or the animals you could hunt. Nor were there seasons. That is "historical". Does it apply in the current age, with seasons and limits put in place in order to manage wildlife populations? Not at all, so why even bring it up. In all of the forums I have participated in regarding fish and game, I have never heard somebody saying something like "Well, in the past there were no limits, so that is the problem." And guess what? Most of those "fossil fuel" subsidies today are going to converting oil and coal plants to natural gas. So you make the decision, what is better? To subsidize that conversion, and help companies change to a more clean fossil fuel, or just continue to use oil and coal because it is more affordable because without the subsidies most can not afford to make that change? You tell me, which is better? End all subsidies to fossil fuel and keep using oil and coal, or support the change to natural gas? Because you can not have it both ways? This is what I keep finding so freaking idiotic in here. People making wide sweeping comments, and not actually THINKING about them before they make them. This will probably get me a strike, but I swear sometimes I think I am talking to a bunch of children. Of course, this is also the kind of thing I have been thinking about for over 40 years. Most of you all probably never even thought about it before you were told you had to think about it. And yes, over 40 years. Notice how I am able to come up with so many actual statistics? I toured my first power plant when I was 12 years old, and not the usual tour that most people get. My mom worked for a major power company, and several times a year we toured various power plants, including at least a dozen hydro dams (even walking inside of turbines down for maintenance, nuclear plants (San Onofre and EBR1), geothermal, and a 2GW coal plant. In addition to experimental oil-shale, wind, and solar plants that were not operational, but part of research programs. You all are "Johnny Come Lately's" in this to this to me, and acting with all the rational of a new convert to religion. And as I have said before, in most way I agree with most of what you all say. But you all are so *******ned antagonistic about how you talk to others that it even makes a moderate and more than marginal supporter turn away from you all in disgust.
Do you deny their are many other factors besides C02 that may or may not effect climate than C02 or do you buy into the AGW hypothesis that mans C02 is the primary Okay let's work it back. Do you deny a veritable soup of factors influence climate and that mans C02 is only one of many ingredients both known and unknown? Do you think so goes C02 levels so goes climate and nothing else matters?
In the early 1800s a prolonged drought forced the Navaho nation to move west looking for greener pastures. This put them in Hopi territory but fortunately a deal was struck and they decided to coexist until the drought ended. They did so for a generation and intermarried forming bonds that would last forever. When the drought ended the Navaho went back to their traditional homeland only to find deals they struck with the Spain no longer existed and now they had to deal with a new nation called Mexico. Violent war broke out with rancheros overrun and a mass slaughtering of Mexicans. All this in a lifetime and before the industrial revolution.
The industrial revolution BEGAN in the 1760's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution It is unlikely that it was the cause of that drought so it is disingenuous to even invoke it in that context.
Yeah kind of my point.The industrial revolution was in its it's infancy yet climate change such as I pointed out still occurred in a lifetime.
Pretty much the same since I grew up in the 1950's with annual variations of course. Some winters are colder and some warmer than others on a yearly basis, the summers fall into the same category. Although over the last couple to three years, we haven't had any days in the 100's which we usually get a week or two during the summer. We also haven't had those two or three weeks in the winter where the temperature stays below freezing. All in all, the weather seems to have even out some. Not having the real hot and not the real cold. Nice.
That was NOT climate change. Droughts in arid areas would occur periodically. Climate change is the FREQUENCY and INTENSITY of droughts changing.
This thread is replete with personal anecdotes of local weather change seen in a lifetime. My post simply showed an example of local weather change over a lifetime well before mans CO2 was a potential factor.
Since we are sharing stories on weather change here's mine. I came to Idaho in the mid 70s. First winter it snowed until Christmas then it started raining and never stopped. Streams jumped their banks roads washed out and I thought oh, this is an Idaho winter. My first Idaho summer there was a thunderstorm almost every afternoon and I thought oh this is an Idaho summer. As the years went by with some winters virtually snow free and other winters we had six feet and as temperatures rocked back and forth from winter to winter sometimes below 0 and other winters never below the teens I realized there is no normal winter in Idaho or anywhere else. Same goes for summers. Sometimes hot sometimes cool sometimes rainy sometimes dry. "Normal" weather like "normal" climate exist only in peoples minds.
Things will still occur that are beyond our control. A volcanic event could put enough ash into the air to lower the earth's average temperature. But it could be temporary. The very same volcano could release enough CO2 to raise the temperature over time. Now, we can work toward making things better or we can take a leak on the very place we live. We can turn down the global heater or continue to turn up the heat. We can only turn down the heat so far. If you do not have air conditioning on a hot summer day the house will only cool to the outside temps. But you don't turn the furnace on.
I grew up in Richmond Indiana, born in 54....about 50 miles south. My grandmother used to tell me how much colder the winters were when she was little, (and she had to walk 3 miles to school, uphill both ways). Anyway, I know enough about history to not be alarmed. Did you know that in the 1700's the Navajo nation left Arizona and migrated to San Diego area due to climate change, heat and drought? They returned after 30 years or so. Weather is in cycles. The Trump administration has reduced emissions in the U.S. by an alarming rate. China has increased theirs. Greta should go to China and shoot her mouth off.
Very interesting. Wonder if you can convince minds full of mush this is an actual picture in actual time instead of a bunch of projections put together by a bunch of activists with an agenda? That would scare them good! Huh?
Pictures will raise emotions. I could post pictures of forest fires all day long. Any idea when fires first started happening? Was it at the advent of Smokey Bear or before?
Throughout the world, scientists involved in the fields related to climate show massive evidence that humans DO affect climate and that we are pushing Earth's temperature towards being warmer.
Cite please. I didn't say anything about what you are doing in the way of analysis. I'm just saying that I'm much more likely to believe the analysis performed by capitalist corporations that are putting their cash on the line.
