What happened to the hole in the ozone layer?

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  1. bomberfox

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    Hell Bolsonaro told the world he was going to do exactly what he is doing. He wanted to bring back the juntas. Ayn Rand was never really a friend of liberty, only of those she viewed as the ubermenschen.
     
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    Yup, Ayn and her followers would have us all ruled by a cabal of the uber wealthy elites all "free" to use government power to do whatever they want and have the rest of us slaving away for peanuts in the post-industrial ruins left behind when they'd finished exploiting everything to down to the death throes.

    Sort of like what is happening in the Amazon today.
     
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    CFC
    Chloroflourocarbons.
     
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    And, rivers are not burning anymore.
     
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    Mockingly?
    There was a perceived problem.
    Regulations were put in place, the problem corrected.
    Like Acid Rain no longer is a problem because of corrections of air polluting smoke stacks.
     
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    Put in fire hydrants.
    Sprinklers in buildings.
     
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    If wanting the best for one’s life and loves is cruel, and sacrificing it for humanity is the essence of the kindness, we’re fkd.
     
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    Wanting the best for one's life and loves does not preclude living in harmony with others and working to bring back the planet from the brink.

    Here is a good news story of what people, including government, industry and environmentalists can do when the work together for a common goal:

    Sudbury, Ontario was so polluted by emissions from the local smelter and acid rain, DDT and other noxious chemicals that they actually trained for Apollo missions there because it so resembled a moonscape - nothing grew there and the lakes were dead:

    But then Canada and the US worked together on the Clean Air Act and in just a couple of decades, Sudbury has come back to life. The air is breathable, the lakes have fish growing in them and there is so much new vegetation and forest growth that you can barely tell the environmental devastation that existed there before.

    None of this would have been possible if they could not have admitted they had a problem or if they had blindly followed the Randian fallacy that we should not, in fact cannot clean up our messes.

    Rand would condemn the whole planet to be the Sudbury of old by denying chemicals like DDT or CFC's can hurt anything and at the same time saying humans can't aspire to anything beyond crass greed, cruelty and indifference to the consequences of our actions.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/05/10/what_sudbury_can_teach_china_about_air_pollution.html
     
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    Clean the planet all you wish, leave your gun holstered.
     
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    There is nothing in the principles of capitalism, nor individual rights, that states you can poison your neighbors well water.

    As far as DDT is concerned, it saved millions of lives in WW II from Cholera and Diphtheria, eradicated mosquito carrying diseases from the North American continent, and damn near cleared malaria from the whole world. Since the ban, malaria and other mosquito carrying disease have flourished and grown, as has the deaths from those diseases.

    With regards to CFC’s? Mass hysteria, much like what we are seeing with this new flu-like virus.

    This insatiable insanity proves that the apocalyptic environmentalists aren’t seeking clean air (if they were, nuclear power would be our number one energy source), they seek the eradication of what they perceive as an invasive virus, the human species. It’s human death they worship, not human life.

    Ayn Rand: “As far as the issue of actual pollution is concerned, it is primarily a scientific, not a political, problem. In regard to the political principle involved: if a man creates a physical danger or harm to others, which extends beyond the line of his own property, such as unsanitary conditions or even loud noise, and if this is proved, the law can and does hold him responsible. If the condition is collective, such as in an overcrowded city, appropriate and objective laws can be defined, protecting the rights of all those involved—as was done in the case of oil rights, air-space rights, etc. But such laws cannot demand the impossible, must not be aimed at a single scapegoat, i.e., the industrialists, and must take into consideration the whole context of the problem, i.e., the absolute necessity of the continued existence of industry—if the preservation of human life is the standard.

    It has been reported in the press many times that the issue of pollution is to be the next big crusade of the New Left activists, after the war in Vietnam peters out. And just as peace was not their goal or motive in that crusade, so clean air is not their goal or motive in this one.”
    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/pollution.html
     
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    Urban Legend... It was actually porn that made the internet...
     
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    What are you some kind of space alien demon???
     
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    Anyone quoting Ayn Rand as an authority automatically earns the contempt of anyone who knows anything about that harridan. I think her appeal was to average Joes who read her drivel and imagined themselves as John Galt or Hank Reardon or maybe Dagny. Did you ever consider the fact that a world of billions would never include billions of these stellar creatures of selfishness? I read Atlas Shrugged back in the 70s. It is clearly the worst book ever written, dreary pedantic screeching on a scale not seen in centuries. Her personal life was a disaster, her odious objectivism a disgrace to humanity. Go watch Mike Wallace interview her in the 50s on his program. What a witch.
     
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    Yep, turns out skin cancer is GOOD for people

    On to the nutters who want water that doesn't stink. How dare we ask industries not to wreck the environment and poison us to make deodorant sprays.
     
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    It's not going to happen, because we started to care about the environment. Companies weren't allowed to produce their CFC's... it all worked fine. Companies adapted to the new rules and laws.
     
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    Sacrificing love for the sake of humanity? Are you mad?
     
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    As in: sacrificing what I value, for example, driving the grandkids to Disney World, for the good of all--the end of fossil fuels.
    The question is not if I'm mad, the question is Are the apocalyptics mad? They are.
     
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