About the Holocaust

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    They’re one of the worst terrorist organizations on the planet and similar to the SS
    Pales don’t want peace : they turned down Clinton In 99 and now trump
     
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    Earlier reports of what has come to be known as THE Holocaust® are more accurate & objective because then there wasn't time for them to be tainted by Allied propaganda & Holocaust Industry influence

    Please note that there was never a written execution order such as the ones used by Stalin, the 1946 Red Cross Report found no evidence of a genocide, intercepted German radio transmissions reveal no mass murder, former inmates knew nothing about homicidal gas chambers when thousands of them were interviewed after the war, Eisenhower, Churchill, de Gaulle make no mention of a genocide or gas chambers in their extensive books, not one autopsy of the thousands conducted showed death by cyanide gas, not one remaining homicidal gas chamber has ever been found and on and on.
    There simply was no genocide like the one you've been led to believe until one was fabricated by a profit driven & corrupt, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry along with complicit Hollywood movie makers / propagandists(1).


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    Eisenhower's death camps made Auschwitz look like a luxury resort and his illegal order to downgrade POWs to "DECs" (Disarmed Enemy Combatants) was another written order for execution by starvation, exposure & disease. Well over 1 million German POWs & civilians died simply because Eisenhower " hated the Germans"
    As you know, Hitler issued no written order for the execution of Europe's Jews.

    Meanwhile, German POWs in England & France were forced to do slave labor well after the war was over just as far fewer German POWs survived the Soviet gulags than Jews survived the Holocaust.


    "Eisenhower’s death camps — a stain on American history"
    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/eisenhowers-death-camps-a-stain-on-american-history/


    EXCERPT "The POW camps set up by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, after World War II ended, are also called death camps, because 1.7 million German POWs allegedly died in these camps. To read more about Eisenhower’s camps, go to this website or this website.

    On May 7, 1945, the German army had surrendered to General Eisenhower, who refused to shake hands with the German General, as is customary. The neutral country of Switzerland was removed as the Protecting Power for German prisoners, which was another violation of the Geneva Convention. General George S. Patton quickly released the prisoners who had surrendered to his Third Army, but General Eisenhower held his POWs until the end of 1946, forcing them to live on starvation rations. German civilians were forbidden to bring food to the POWs. Red Cross packages sent to the German POW camps were returned. The POW camps had no barracks or tents"CONTINUED



    (1). "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/


    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED
     
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    Oh, the Rhine meadow POW camps. A popular object used by all neo-Nazis to declare the Hitler warriors as poor victims. :D

    Unfortunately, there were some deaths due to the poor supply situation. But with the onset of winter, the camps were closed because the army didn't want the prisoners to die from cold and snow.
     
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    Where have I expressed any pro neo-Nazi or anti Semitic sentiment?

    You knew nothing about the 150,000 Jews who comprised Hitler's military, nothing about the Jews who were high ranking members of the Nazi party, nothing about the successful Rosenstrasse demonstration and nothing about the original, 1946 Red Cross Report and other documents that debunk the myth of a genocidal Nazi agenda so it's not surprising that you also know so little of the magnitude of Eisenhower's deliberate war crimes.

    Meanwhile, the Germans tried to feed their inmates as well as they could:

    “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
    https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/

    EXCERPT “Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

    Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED

    FYI:
    "GERMAN HOLOCAUST GERMAN GENOCIDE: 9-15 Million Germans Killed 1945 – 1953 Post WW2 “The Morgenthau Plan” EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS “A Forgotten Genocide”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2014/...eisenhowers-death-camps-a-forgotten-genocide/
     
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    You didn't, but you cite their lying sources. Don't you notice that?
    It would bother me to share the opinion of hateful war criminals and mass murderers. :(
     
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    Which sources do you think are lying and what makes you think they're lying just because they contradict what you've been led to believe?

    I'm about 70 years old and old enough to have known dozens of Holocaust survivors and WW 2 Veterans from both sides. Not one of them has ever said anything that is consistent with the standard holocaust narrative (SHN).

    Why do you chose to ignore the eyewitnesses who contradict the SHN? (1), (2)

    Do you believe everything that is presented by MSM?


    (1) “Holocaust - Survivors who Tell the Truth”
    https://archive.org/details/Holocaust-SurvivorsWhoTellTheTruth


    (2). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    - EXCERPT " An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads." CONTINUED


    - EXCERPT " A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later." CONTINUED
     
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    The horror story about the Rhine meadow camps, for example. Why do many Holocaust deniers mention this? Where is the relation to the Holocaust?

    I think the big picture (you call it SHN) is almost accurate, even if it contains some minor errors. In no case, I believe in a world conspiracy. Neither regarding the HC, nor 9/11 nor the death of Pres. Kennedy nor Elvis and Lady Di.

    Btw, there are actually former Auschwitz inmates who would swear that no one was gassed there, simply because they were in the main camp all the time, not in Birkenau, where the gassings took place.
     
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    It's not just "Holocaust deniers" who consider Eisenhower's and Stalin's true death camps relevant. It's everyone who looks to have a fuller, more accurate and objective knowledge of the WW 2 era and world history in general.

    The overhyped Holocaust is in no way special simply because some Jews were among the persecuted. In many ways, the Holocaust was less horrific than the barbarism exhibited by Stalin, Mao, Eisenhower etc but yet it consumes the bulk of MSM attention. Even though there were the occasional executions in the German camps, at least the Germans tried to lower the number of deaths most of which were through disease.

    Eisenhower and Stalin issued written orders that were intended to cause death through starvation, exposure & disease even though food, shelter and medicine was plentiful. On the other hand, there are no written orders for the extermination of Europe's Jews and Germany did not have the plentiful resources that the Allies did toward the end of the war.

    Briefly put, I feel that the Holocaust has been the most crassly exploited, grossly misrepresented and overhyped tragedy at the expense of the many other equal and greater tragedies that deserve our attention and the attention of our education system. I simply don't believe that any ethnic group, nationality, or religious group has a monopoly on either good or evil.

    I think that I have shown over the previous pages that there are major deliberate and gross deceptions in the holocaust legend.
    The Holocaust Industry - Lobby began its mission to deceive the masses with outrageous frauds such as "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads, "human skin pocketbooks", a newly invented human vaporizer, homicidal steam chambers, homicidal electric floors, a "Conveyor belt of death(1) and countless other grisly frauds intended to make the holocaust legend somehow more horrific but they all turned out to be complete lies.
    Why would anyone continue to believe a powerful, wealthy and influential Holocaust Industry - Lobby & complicit MSM that has so blatantly demonstrated such an outrageous willingness to lie?

    Re:
    I thought that you still believed that the "gas chamber" in Auschwitz 1 in which 10,000 people were allegedly killed was real. Do you now admit that it is just another fraud?

    Thanks,



    (1). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
     
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    It's not about Jews. The Holocaust would have been just as hideous if any other minority were affected. The great barbarism of the Holocaust was that many Germans worked together as a large team to fulfill the Nazis' desire to exterminate an entire people.

    Gassing in the main camp was rare. Many prisoners did not notice it.
     
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    The reason I refuse to believe the SHN is that there is no hard evidence that: "...many Germans worked together as a large team to fulfill the Nazis' desire to exterminate an entire people."
    I've already listed many times the fact that there were no written orders from Hitler for the extermination of Europe's Jews, no German radio transmissions indicating a genocide, nothing in the original 1946 Red Cross Report about a Genocide, nothing in any of Eisenhower's, de Gaulle's or Churchill's books about a genocide and on and on.

    There are countless examples that make the many fraudulent eyewitness accounts that comprise the SHN physically impossible.
    For example, the "homicidal gas chamber" at Auschwitz 1 could never have been used to gas anyone due primarily to its location next to the Gestapo office and across from the hospital (a hospital in a death camp?).
    In spite of the fact that it was never a homicidal gas chamber, thousands of gullible tourists are lied to each year in what is simply another deliberate deception.

    Next, it is claimed in the SHN that 1,200 people were gassed at a time(1) in a building that had 4 rooms each of which was 14' X 7'. Simple math proves that this claim, too is a physical impossibility because it is impossible to fit 3 people inside of 1 square foot.

    Also, according to the SHN, 25,000 people were executed and cremated every day in July of 1944. This, too is both physically impossible and contradicted both by the fact that Auschwitz's coal/coke supply was never large enough for the task and Allied air reconnaissance contradicts fraudulent "eyewitness" accounts about long lines to the "gas chambers" and "billowing smoke" from the crematorium chimneys.

    The older you get and the more you study that tragic era with an open mind, the more likely you are to discover that the SHN is perhaps the most profitable & crassly exploited conspiracy theory in modern history.



    Ruins of Bunker 2
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html
     
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    I don't know what "hard evidence" is for you. You obviously reject all second-hand sources, except those that stir up doubts about the SHN.

    Perhaps talking to Holocaust survivors in person could break the barrier in your mind?!

    As American, you have the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC. Visit it, if it's not too far away from where you live. I'm sure that they can arrange a meeting with survivors who are willing to speak about the horrors they have experienced.

    I know you did, but I don't consider this as proof that there was no deliberate genocide of the Jews.

    You think so because professional HC deniers lied to you that the HC was physically impossible. And you believe them completely uncritically. Why? Don't you get the idea that these people could pursue a political goal instead of being interested in the truth?
     
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    Can we talk about the nations who helped Hitler kill the Jews :
    The worst were : Ukraine , Romania , Hungary , Dutch and Lithuania
     
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    Only Italians hide them
    Even the US refused entry to Jews
     
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    Yes, of course. This can be helpful to clarify the facts to the doubters.
    Anti-Semitism was widespread before Hitler came to power.
     
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    By "hard evidence", I mean tangible objects that prove an actual Nazi genocide such as written orders from Hitler or one of his subordinates calling for an extermination policy, a real homicidal gas chamber or authentic ruin, a commensurate number of actual mass graves (i.e. millions), an assessment of genocide by an impartial source such as the Red Cross, Air reconnaissance photos that do show lines to the gas chamber or an adequate amount of coal/coke to cremate millions, intercepted German radio transmissions that do discuss elements of a genocidal agenda.
    For the Holocaust legend to be true one needs more than hearsay and shocking photos of dead and dying typhus victims that do not indicate a policy of genocide.

    I recently stated that I have already known, lived with, and worked with dozens of Holocaust survivors and WW 2 Veterans from both sides of the European theater of war and not one of them mentioned anything to indicate that there was a genocidal agenda. They confirmed that there were deaths by typhus and food shortages especially at the end of the war. They condemned the cruel Kapos who as you know were simply fellow inmates. A former neighbor who was a "White" Russian (vs "Red") was a prisoner of all the major armies and claimed that the Germans treated her better than anyone.

    Additional eyewitness accounts that refute a German genocidal agenda are:

    ALEXANDER McCLELLAND.........LETTER
    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/SmallFortress/TheresienstadtKapos.html


    "The Auschwitz goalkeeper: British prisoner of war who played in football match at Nazi death camp returns to bury the past"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443738/The-Auschwitz-goalkeeper-British-prisoner-war-makes-poignant-return-Nazi-death-camp.html

    EXCERPTS "During the week prisoners were employed at forced labour camps, but on their rest day they were allowed to play football on a field just outside the camp - with armed German guards watching from the sidelines.

    Father-of-one Ron said: “We didn’t work on a Sunday so we used to play football.'

    The Red Cross heard about it and brought the teams four sets of shirts - English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh.

    'There was the humiliation and the lack of food but on the whole life wasn’t too bad.'

    'The Germans, contrary to what a lot of people think, were pretty good to us on the whole.' "CONTINUED


    I suspect that I am much older than you and have had the opportunity to look at the Holocaust story with a critical eye from both sides. I have wanted to believe the SHN but after decades of seeing it exposed as a fraud over and over, I can no longer deceive myself.
    There is absolutely no political or financial motive for rejecting the SHN as Revisionists have been beaten, received death threats and had their offices firebombed by JDL thugs and the like.

    On the other hand, thousands of individuals have found that lying about gas chambers & other fictions has brought them quick fame and easy money. As you must know, Israeli Zionists have repeated exploited the Holocaust to deflect world criticism for their atrocities in Palestine.
    In other words, there is far more motive to lie about the SHN being true than rejecting it for the fraudulent myth that it is.
     
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    You usually reject all Holocaust documents as fakes. Why would you believe that a written Hitler order wouldn't have been fabricated by agents of the SHN world conspiracy?

    There are ruins of gas chambers and crematoria. What makes them unauthentic to you? Only the insane claims of professional Holocaust deniers that you believe uncritically?

    Someone who didn't see anything can't be a witness that a crime did not happen. Imagine a court would accept such witnesses, then all criminals would be very happy. There are always those who noticed nothing. :(

    BTW: Shortly before WW2, the Nazi regime mass murdered disabled people. What do you think about it? Real or fake?
     
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    Most Jews outside NYC and intermarrying out All around the nation
     
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    The origin of someone's spouse is irrelevant. :)
     
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    Since no written order for a genocide exists or existed according to either side of the debate, what I would believe is irrelevant. That still leaves a long list of hard evidence that would exist if there had really been a holocaust as per the SHN.
    Why do you believe what has proven to be a fraudulent Holocaust Industry - Lobby when there is absolutely no hard evidence to support what it claims?

    I believe that crematoria exist and were used extensively to prevent additional death by disease but at Auschwitz there was never enough coal/coke to cremate anywhere near the number of bodies claimed to have existed.
    I reject the myths about homicidal gas chambers for many reasons above and beyond the scientific examinations that you reflexively dismiss as: "...insane claims of professional Holocaust deniers..." who have, in fact, been well qualified scientists, engineers and chemists.

    I have considered both sides of the Holocaust story and the only "rebuttals" I have read from holocaustians to the scientific findings that disprove the "gas chamber" myth have been irrelevant personal attacks and slander of those disproving the fantasy that homicidal gas chambers existed.

    One reason I reject the homicidal gas chamber myth is that not one of the so called "eyewitnesses" accurately described the bodies as having a "cherry red" or pinkish color. They all describe the skin color as either blue, purple or yellow.

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    It's more likely that the thousands of eyewitnesses interviewed by the Red Cross didn't see homicidal gas chambers because they didn't exist just as not one of the thousands of autopsies done showed death by cyanide poisoning.
    If "millions" were gassed to death, why didn't any of these thousands of people confirm that myth?

    Re:
    It's certainly possible as euthanasia & sterilizations were common in the US and elsewhere in the 1920s & 1930s.
     
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    It's relevant for the sake of Holocaust denial. I'm sure that you would reject any written Hitler order you don't like, as you reject other documents that prove the HC.
    :(

    I believe there are some false stories about the Holocaust, but they can't override the truth. There's a lot of evidence that the Nazis committed a horrible genocide, but you don't accept them. This whole thread is about your belief, not truth or untruth.

    These people didn't see gas chambers because they were no eyewitnesses at all.

    If you believe it's possible that the Nazis murdered fellow Germans to save money and keep their race clean, why do you think they were unable to exterminate the hostile and evil Jews?
     
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    Yes, sterilizing probably took place in Germany before and during Hitler's rule. In the article below it is mentioned that in Germany during the 20s the church promoted Euthanasia of severely handicapped children and adults:
    Now, of course, it is all Hitler's idea and fault. I have not heard that the church has come forward and admitted that it was their idea first!

    Considering reincarnation, I tend to believe retardation is a means of karmic punishment and lesson for the soul to atone for wrongs done in previous lives. America's greatest psychic, Edgar Cayce, has given us some good examples. Therefore, we should not kill the insane and crippled individuals. They need to live out their allotted time.

    Does that make sense?
     
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    The fact that there was no written order from Hitler to exterminate Europe's Jews is just one of the many well established & mutually agreed upon facts I have already listed that prove the fraudulence of the SHN. If you are asking if I would be suspicious if such a written order suddenly appeared today, almost 75 years later, the answer is yes but I would not reject it without objective critical examination just as I do not reflexively reject any credible evidence that supports either side of the debate.
    I'm simply interested in the truth.

    What documents do you know of that support the SHN other than stories told by people looking for quick fame and easy money?

    Re:
    It doesn't seem like you've heard of Gena Turgel or Moshe Peer(1) who claimed to have been gassed 6 times. Some people actually believe these charlatans no matter how outrageous their stories. Do you? If not, some people might call you a "Holocaust denier"

    Re:
    You're talking about 2 different things just as support for eugenics and sterilizations was common in the US and the UK and in Germany.
    Yes, it's credible that a few hundred or even a few thousand mentally retarded, deformed etc were killed in German hospitals in the 1920s, 1930s & 1940s but it is impossible that millions were exterminated in non existent homicidal gas chambers, steam chambers, industrialized Conveyor belts of Death(2) and other fictional contraptions because there's absolutely no hard evidence to support that aspect of the SHN.

    In a recent Post, I explained how critical thinking has led me to reject the SHN after decades of study and speaking with dozens of WW 2 Veterans & Holocaust survivors who tell the truth.

    It is claimed in the SHN that 1,200 people were gassed at a time(3) in a building that had 4 rooms each of which was 14' X 7'. Simple math proves that this claim, too is a physical impossibility because it is impossible to fit even 3 small people inside of 1 square foot.
    In order to believe the SHN, one must blindly believe these physical impossibilities.
    Do you believe that 3 people can fit into one square foot?

    Also, according to the SHN, 25,000 people were executed and cremated every day in July of 1944. This, too is both physically impossible and contradicted both by the fact that Auschwitz's coal/coke supply was never large enough for the task of cremating all those bodies and Allied air reconnaissance contradicts fraudulent "eyewitness" accounts about there ever being long lines to the "gas chambers" and "billowing smoke" from the crematorium chimneys.

    The older you get and the more you study that tragic era with an open mind, the more likely you are to discover that the SHN is perhaps the most profitable & crassly exploited conspiracy theory in modern history.





    (1) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php
    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


    (2). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (3). "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html
     
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    I'm not so sure about reincarnation but I agree that yes, of course it's wrong to kill the chronically insane, retarded and severely disabled.

    There does, however, seem to be widespread support for what is called "physical assisted suicide" when the patient is suffering from uncontrolled pain but that's a different topic.


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    It's my understanding that the Nazi race laws were based on US race laws:

    "What America Taught the Nazis"
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/

    EXCERPT "In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in codified racism—the United States." CONTINUED
     
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    Who says that? I could bet that the story comes from Holocaust deniers. Otherwise, we have to investigate. :)

    Nope; I talk about mass murder in both cases. The mass murder of foes and the mass murder of own people. It's difficult to understand why the Nazis were able to murder disabled Germans but shy away from murdering their declared enemy.

    Aging has nothing to do with ignorance. It's a well known fact that the HC is being financially and politically exploited, regardless of it's happened or not.
     
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