More than half of French people think that our civilization will collapse

Yes we're weak and soft. I don't think there is a reason to deny we're decadent.
Considering the new folks, there is plenty of them that hate France and so don't have their place there. You can't live in a place you hate and feel stranger to that place.
But they're human, some are, some are good, I don't appreciate Islam myself, but the problem is more complexe than that.

 

Yes, of course.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/kim-clement-about-france-etc.554388/

 

All are criminals since they are here illegally and they must break the law in order to survive.

 

More than half of French people would be eating sauerkraut 3 times a day if it wasn’t for America.

 

How many nuclear reactors in France? What % of your energy do they produce?

What % hydro? geothermal?

 

Same as most every other first world nation - And its because folks these days have better things to do than have 5 kids- never mind paying for them - not about belief in the future.

 

And without the French we would still be British Subjects

 

That is what I'm talking about.
Folks these day have better things than having kids - this is a false statement they tell themselves. Had there been better things, they would have wanted their kids to have them also.
There are no better things, just nihilism and make believe.

 

We also have better contraception these days

 

The news here is in word 5 -7 in the title of the thread. French people think. Who would have thought.

 

I agree with "the majority" of them although I do not see that atheism has much to do with it. In fact, I blame religion as one of the top causes of the problem in the first place.

 

Our atheism explain more why we are a so pessimistic people, not the possibility of collapse.

The possible collapse is caused mostly by our reward system that is both responsible for learning and addiction, and by entropy.

 

Here in Sweden, most people are atheists but it doesn't contribute to the collapse of civilization. Our mistake is that we have welcomed people whose greatest joy is to destroy civilization. In a sense, it is our humanitarian endeavours (sort of religious doctrine) that have opened our borders to those who want our destruction.

 

I don't believe in god.

I think that the disappearance of values such as strict (self) discipline, bravery are among the problems. I suppose that people had it too easy for the last decades and it bred non-functionnal people.
It's like domesticated wild animals, it's very hard to release them back in the nature, because often they're not able anymore to hunt. They have been too "softened".

 

But do you DISbelieve in god?

I don't completely agree. You say that hard has died out and all that is left is soft. I think that hard got TOO hard and soft got TOO soft.

 

I don't get the nuance you wish to bring. Do you ask if I stopped to believe in god ? If it's the question, no, catholicism was always the religion of my ancestors, a far notion from the past, churches being relics of a time people don't understand anymore.

By hardship, I mean life threatening difficulties. Until recently, mankind has always fought against itself, but often also against hunger, the coldness of the time, aridity (depending where you live), or epedemics. Living was a trial by itself. I think one of the last times when a country had the choice between winning or destruction was by confronting Hitler, and I can't say my country was very good at that.

One of my main hypothesis is that cities, the internet and modern technologies make mankind mad.
For cities, it's important to refer to calhoun experiment I mentionned earlier, for modern technologies (I include a lot of things that appeared in the 20th century), it's more about the reward system of the brain.

 

How dare you!
It is exactly 11 years and 5 months.
Alexandria Occasional Cortex and an abused angry child from Sweden told us so.

 

Plymouth Rock was just vandalized with red spray paint for the 400th anniversary. People in general have no idea how difficult the voyage was -- no heat -- wooden ships didn't have heat -- too much danger of burning -- constant cold and shivering was preferable to the very small ship burning and all hands drowning in the cold Atlantic, which was likely enough anyway. If only the sails and rigging burned you were dead. If the wind failed you for long enough, you faced scant rations and perhaps starvation, and a weakened crew unable to overcome nature.

Yeah, the poorest people now live a soft life of extreme luxury that could not have been imagined 400 years ago.

 

@Jestsayin I'm not at the left, nobody care of AOC in France, even if we have people like her.
Furthermore, no the hypothesis go beyond simply climate change.

 

I mean, are you an Atheist or an Agnostic?

But we are facing hardship against ourselves << mankind fighting against itself >> and the reasons are the same (hunger, the coldness of the time, aridity and epidemics) because we are absorbing those very maladies from abroad.

France did fine. She did what she could when she could ...... then she did more when she could do more. In fact, of all the allies both east and west the only nation that did more than it was capable of doing was Britain.

 

More atheist. The idea of god was alien to me for most of my life. However, as I grow older, I start to contemplate universe and I get more the idea of god from a philosophical point of view. I don't believe in it, but I understand it more.

I don't blame the ordinary citizens, more the pride and arrogance of some generals that kept WW1 strategies in a conflict where those tactics were obsolete.

 

I understand

It should have been sufficient but Hitler ignored le Traité de Versailles and built up a modern Army, Navy and Air Force.

 

It's not that much the number of tanks, but a misuse of them, furthermore, a lack of coordination between british and french people.

We could speak also of the fact that french people wanted peace until WW2, but they misjudged the importance of giving peace the mean to exist : caring more about the suffering of german people.
Peace is not simply the lack of war, it's something that must be build.

 

How could alternative medicine kill your sister? What was she taking arsenic?

 

Why not stop robbing and destroying their countries, that way they will want to go back?