How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence

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  1. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    No it's not, when 'security' agencies hide their ugliness behind 'national security laws'.

    Of course the secretive 'spooks' industry exists because we don't have an international rules-based system, but at least whistle blowers like Assange can inform and educate the pubic about the whole stinking mess of 'legal' war.
     
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    Your wrong on everything... your opinions don't make truth.

    Taking peoples rights is not within the jurisdiction of the government, they are God given.. furthermore nothing will ruin the general welfare and domestic tranquility than government taking away rights..

    Your understanding of the 2nd ammendment is faulty . Definition of malita. = every able bodied man.
     
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    The world needs less rules not more.. rules are just ways for tyrants to control people which is the fundamental evil innthe world.

    Yes the most evil thing on the planet is people who want to diminish individual freedom. It's what makes Bernie Sanders evil. He wants to control people.
     
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    The iraq war wasn't illegal thats just your rhetoric.

    Thank God for rich people without them America would be nothing.
     
  5. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    This is a non answer, like wist43 you are incapable of debate.

    "taking peoples' rights", has nothing to do with managing an economy that works for everyone.

    So naturally you now have to defend yourself from the many demoralised individuals in your own community, in a nation in which 20% of the population are in debt just through being born.

    Militia = every able bodied man (including women???), to defend you against your own nation's military?

    2nd amendment:

    Article 13. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


    Pathetic.

    Face it, the 2nd amendment is an anachronism.....but now you have to defend yourself against your neighbours because of the entrenched poverty in a dysfunctional economic system.
     
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    Your concept of what America is really like and why. Is faulty.

    Things are great in America right now. Except for those who choose not to engage in their own self betterment.

    Article 13? I don't live in Virginia.
     
  7. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Here we go - RW garbage par excellence.

    For your education (though such is probably impossible):

    People act and think from 95% self-interested emotion and 5% rationality (via the "thinking brain" in the cerebral cortex which devotes most of its capacity to justifying the ego's selfish desires).

    That's why rule of law, which you erroneously refer to as "control", is necessary to avoid anarchy.

    Even so, the US attacked Iraq for no reason at all, (and the supposed WMD were a lie), acting against the millions who demonstrated against Bush's adventure
     
  8. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    I've supplied the stats. you ignore them.

    Well, at least you admitted "except for those who choose not to engage in their own self betterment...…." thereby contradicting the first half of your sentence (since those people also live in America).

    No debate on the amazingly stupid* and anachronistic 2nd amendment, in the 21st century?

    * except that you now NEED it, to defend yourself against your OWN people....brilliant.
     
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    i think we can prevent societal rifts from expanding into violence by sending the political losers who radicalise terrorism to guantanamo bay cuba, to see if they have terror ties.

    the younger generation of CIA agents have newer and innovative enhanced interrogation techniques, and will be efficient at deciding which individuals are enemies of the Commander In Chief.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
     
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    We've had the rule of law and have avoided anarchy since day 1 in America.
    Bernie Sanders is building his Campaign on the hatred of rich people. He wants to control their money. Like wise he wants to illegally control how i defend myself.

    We need basic rule of law, we don't need to and the government doesn't have the authority to micromanage us. Everything Bernie says he wants to do is unconstitutional.
    What you call right wing garbage. Is the truth.
     
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    Lol. At your statistics...

    People who choose not to make their own lives better have only themselves to blame for how things are in their lives and are Not the burden of society. So my comment stands.

    The armed population of America is the only reason you have any freedom at all. You owe gun owners and the 2nd ammendment everything.. you're welcome.
     
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    I would suggest there is no way to prevent this from happening at this point. A violent Civil war is inevitable in America IMO.
     
  13. Robert E Allen

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    If the leftists back off it can be avoided. But if they keep seeking to control more and more. There will be push back.
     
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    If he gets the sarcasm I'll eat my shorts.
    Would you consider the Constitution the supreme expression thereof? And if not, why not? And if so, how can individual rights take precedence over the Constitution?
     
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    The entire purpose of the constitution is to ensure individual rights.. our entire governments job is to protect individual rights. That's how the general welfare, domestic tranquility and liberty are maintained.
     
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    your response appears to be evasion of the question.
     
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    The obvious answer is yes. Everything is subservient to individual rights, rights that every single one of us share equally. And because we all share them equally we can each do anything we want until we violate the rights of another. That's where government comes in to ensure domestic tranquility by resolving the issues when individuals rights collide.
     
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    Then how can individual rights take precedence over the Constitution?
     
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    I just explained it.
     
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    You just perfectly displayed the basis for this entire problem. By using hidden threats toward your fellow Americans because of vague political standing you alienate half the population and put them on defense. This then all but forces avoidance from those who are not of violent nature just out of self protection and distaste. In my opinion this is where right wing nationalism eventually leads...true separation of society.
     
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    No the entire problem is the far left, now the mainstream left, has been attacking individual rights for so long that the moderate right which i represent have been backed into a corner. This is not a threat, it is the response to the threat..

    No one is less violent than i am but i am backed into a corner. The first and 2nd ammendments are vital to the survival of America. The left has been whittling away at them for decades. Things are coming to a head and it is 100% the lefts doing.
     
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    I'm all for Conservatives fighting back.

    Hell yeah!
     
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    I will now ask you to provide verified and accurate data that will explain to me what these "Attacks" are, please keep in mind that regulation of deadly weapons and hate speech are not attack, they are regulation just like Auto insurance and not yelling fire in a theater.
     
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    Wrong.. they are attacks.

    The problem is under the constitution the government has no right to regulate these things. But politicians long ago gave the constitution the finger.

    Government has no rights. Only the people do, not the collective people but each individual person.
     
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    Okay....nevermind the requested data...Have A Nice Day:)
     

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