Far-Right backing for German politician shocks Germany

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  1. Pollycy

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    Very honestly, you should consider writing a book with your father's recollections from the war. It is a 'soldier's story' that needs to be told. If you ever do write a book, or a manuscript, please let those of us who study World War II know about it!

    I have a very close German friend whose Father was also among the Panzer Divisions that fought in the Soviet Union. He became a prisoner-of-war and was forced to labor in Russia for five years before being sent back home to Germany. He was one of the fortunate ones....

    As I have understood it, though, the reason that the Wehrmacht was sent into Russia so poorly-equipped (especially for winter conditions) is because ITALY failed so badly in the Balkans! Mussolini was supposed to secure the "southern-front" by occupying Greece (primarily), but the Italians failed miserably! Hitler, then, to try to keep the British from "flanking" his own plans in Russia, spend valuable months during the warm summer fighting and subduing the Greeks.

    It was a thoroughly miserable situation, and by the time the Wehrmacht was able to continue 'full-force' with a thrust into Russia, it was getting very cold! Then, Hitler made the situation even much worse by refusing to supply soldiers like your Father with wintertime military clothes, diesel, and equipment needed to complete the "Barbarossa" mission.

    Indeed, Hitler may not have even fully understood what was happening... he had already started living in a little dream-world of waking up at noon (or later), watching movies until the middle of the night, while eating cake and drinking hot chocolate. His immediate circle of ass-kissers and sycophants made things even worse by making sure the Führer was not given a lot of bad news -- because he would throw temper tantrums and make life hell for people who gave him the bad news....
     
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    In every single aspect yes they are but only if we use a 1 dimensional line.
     
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    Someone blew a gasket. These are just buzzwords from alt-righters.
     
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    Absolutely not. What a horrible thought to spent month after month with the horrors of war. Since West Point already had a lot of his stuff for their collection of their military Museum, I contacted them after his death. I had inherited his, diaries, Soldbuch and quiet a few other things of his wartime, about 200 lbs, news paper clips, post war notes and his handwritten notes and stories about his men when they came home in 1955. 1955 that's when the war finally ended for him and for us the family.
    I send all to the curator of West Point, except for the Golden Verwundetenabzeichen and the Golden Nahkampfspange. I know all those horrible scars.
    They are on my desk, as a every day reminder, how lucky I was, that the alarms were either training, false or just out of caution.. When I become fertilizer, they to will go to West Point.

    By the way he never really forgave me, for having volunteered, during my draft, to become a special force soldier. He considered it a absolute failure of him educating me and me disregarding his wishes. Very good friends we were, rather good friends
     
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    Simply


    People Want Their Nations Back.
    Not the E.U.

    And only labeled Right Wing parties preach for "the nation". Nationalism


    Moi
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    Restore Provinces' Liberty
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    I salute you, sir, and I wish I knew more Germans like you. I know several retired fellows in the Bundeswehrverband, and you are all very honorable men.

    Back on topic, all this big panic over the "Far Right" in Germany is almost a little bit humorous to many of us in the States. Even a "middle-of-the-road", "Moderate" political party like the CDU is thought of as being very liberal and semi-Socialist by us 'Conservatives' in America. BTW... could you agree that right now, Friedrich Merz is the CDU's best choice to get Germany out of this mess that Kanzerlin Merkel started in 2015...?

    We see your AfD as merely being made up of people who love Germany! They love everything that Germany has accomplished ever since the ancient Germanic 'tribes' came out of the forests of Northern Europe to fight to Roman Army, nearly two thousand years ago! They love your language, your culture, your architecture, your literature, your devotion to efficiency, hard work, and love of country! They love your massive contributions to every facet of science, music, medicine, mathematics, and a thousand other pursuits and disciplines that have been part of the very foundation of Civilization itself!

    The single, great error of National Socialism gone "wrong" is the one flaw -- and even it was the almost inevitable reaction to the way that Germany was treated by 'the Allies' after World War One! The ruinous 'reparations', the theft of all German overseas colonies, and even the confiscation of parts of Germany itself -- in Prussia, the Ruhr, and the Saar. And NONE of it was part of "Wilson's 14 Points" presented to Germany when it agreed to the Armistice and laid down its arms.... You know the history, and therefore, you should understand how and why National Socialism rose in popularity -- especially as Germany was being threatened with a takeover by Communism as the Weimar Republic turned into a dismal failure.

    In the perception of many, the AfD is merely the heart-felt passion of many Germans trying to get back their own country! We in America began struggling with this and saying, "I want my country back!" while 'Führer Obama' was allowing tens of thousands of illegal aliens to pour into the United States, and being welcomed by our own version of "Die Linke", with open arms.

    [​IMG]. "Endlich! Darf ich Ihnen helfen...?!"
     
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    This one sided and rather illinformed comment really says a lot. Why would one look at other countries' domestic affairs through American glasses? It doesn't make too much sense, strange that so many of our friends from across the pond don't want to or cannot learn this.
    First, why should it be important what some 'mericans think of the German AfD and whether party A or party B is conservative or middle of the road by 'merican standards? The CDU, FDP, SPD, AfD, etc. are not American so yank standards are absolutely meaningless in this context.
    Second, esp our 'merican friends here are not particularly well-known for their deep understanding of other countries' domestic affairs (I'm putting it very mildly here). Viewing the AfD as merely people who love Germany is absurdly simplified, either out of ignorance or deliberately, and strongly implies that only AfD folks love their country (what an idiotic statement that is).
    Third, this 'trying to get back their country' is another absurdly simplified argument, as if the country was 'stolen' by someone and only the AfD can get it back. Maybe one should read their political program in order to be at least a bit familiar with their political intentions and learn about their everyday political conduct. Maybe you want to familiarize yourself with their internal power fights and the so-called völkischer Flügel and you might also find the case of Holger Arppe interesting.

    There is no big panic about the 'far-right' and it's most certainly not humerous. Something like that can only come from someone who looks at one percent of the whole thing and happily ignores the rest. The killing of Walter Lübcke was a new low in the recent political history of the country and the perpetrator had close links not only to extreme right-wing groups, but also to the AfD. I'm not calling them an extreme right group, but their are a far-right party. The AfD was created in 2013 to oppose German bailout politics during the Greek Euro crisis, that's all. However, they very quickly developed into something very different. One of their founders, conservative economist Bernd Lucke, left the party after two years because of its strong swing to the far-right and their strong xenophobic and pro-Russian sentiments. Contrary to some illinformed people's beliefs, it's largely right-wing activists who threaten lawyers, jounalists, politicians, local mayors, authors, and writers with many of them needing police protection. One reason why I despise the AfD is their lies. No politician really tells the truth, but the AfD have definitely reached a new quality.
    Their co-leader, Gauland, has been caught lying numerous times and every time he just doesn't care and acts as if nothing happened. Some journalists have leaked strategic AfD papers in which the party clearly states that their strategy is to use lies, incorrect and fake information and made up stories to create outrage and political turmoil.
    You're not even remotely as familiar with all this as you seemingly think. There is no big panic, but it's certainly not humerous either.

    Btw, didn't Obama remove more people from the US than any president before, 3 mil.?
    https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective
     
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    I think Merkel did a rather good job. 2015 was not caused by her but by the East European countries.
    Merkel reacted to the crisis, as I would expect any decent Chancellor would have reacted. It was the East Europeans duty to take care of the refugees, instead they funneled them into Germany. They broke the law and the contract they signed.
    The AfD is radical right, especially in Thueringen. There was a lovely example of it on the Forum, Sobo. He made me puke, with his racism, anti Semitism, Herrenrasse thinking, all those lovely things the NSDAP stood for.
    Lets face it, under Merkel's leadership Germany became a amazingly rich country. The country has billions of surpluses since nearly a decade. Just that is not to shabby.
    It will be very tough to find a leader of the CDU, who can fill her shoes.
    I personally feel it is a huge mistake to make everybody who votes for the AfD a outcast, throw them onto the brown shiit pile.
    Quiet a few AfD voters used to vote for the SPD, they are working class. How to get them back, without courting the AfD.
    That will be the big question.
    Merz is in my opinion the wrong guy.
     
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    Who does the CDU turn to then, especially now the AKK is out...? Wolfgang Schäuble? He is now too old, for one thing, and he is probably viewed as being "too far Right" also...? You cannot allow the "gut-Menschen" and Leftists to take over or they will WRECK your economy....
     
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    The word Gutmensch, has a rather unpleasant history. I use the word left liberals, liberals with the European meaning.
    I think their intolerance has some fascist traits, thought facist, that is the reason for the downfall of the SPD, the everybody is the same crap. I am not everybody and by all means everybody is not me. All pigs are equal, but some are more equal, that's what they do not get.
    What they do not get either, if you do not agree with them from a ( European ) conservative standpoint, you are not brown.

    AKK was from the beginning a weak candidate, good as a Governor, but than she got way over her head and could not make the next step.
    Its not in her. Even defense is over her head. The Thueringen crisis showed very much that she did not have.
    Schaeuble is a outstanding man, but he was a always smart enough to understand his limitations and formed his ambitions around them.
    Better be that guy in the shadow, pull strings or help pull strings, only when absolutely necessary step into the lime light and put the hammer down.
    Merkel is a assassin, she learned that from Kohl and she does it behind closed doors, never in public. She is a spider, builds net works, behind closed doors. In public she is Mutti, humble, smiling and always caring. That's how she ousted Kohl, her mentor and teacher, cut his legs of, with no mercy. She has done it to everybody who opposed her, every single one, including the King of Bavaria.
    AKA did not perform as expect, Thueringen was a good chance to get rid of her and that from South Africa.

    Who can merkel, the one that could is now President of the EU Commission and she is a Merkel protégée.
    Merz aint going to be it, only if Merkel wants it. Lets see what happened, behind the closed doors.
    Will be interesting.
     
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    The consequences of the minority far right having the biggest voice:

    15th Feb 2020
    19th Feb 2020:
     
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    The 15th apparently has a Russian connection
     
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    Negative.
    It thinks other Germans, and non-white people, do not love Germany and think low of their contributions to science and culture. But that aint so.

    The single, great error of National Socialism gone "wrong" is the one flaw -- and even it was the almost inevitable reaction to the way that Germany was treated by 'the Allies' after World War One! The ruinous 'reparations', the theft of all German overseas colonies, and even the confiscation of parts of Germany itself -- in Prussia, the Ruhr, and the Saar. And NONE of it was part of "Wilson's 14 Points" presented to Germany when it agreed to the Armistice and laid down its arms.... You know the history, and therefore, you should understand how and why National Socialism rose in popularity -- especially as Germany was being threatened with a takeover by Communism as the Weimar Republic turned into a dismal failure.

    Germany has been ruled by a conservative Christian party for well over a decade straight. How on earth can you think "they lost" their country? lol

    Neah. Lots of white Americans got this thing going of "go back to your own country" vs non white American citizens. All them white folks are immigrants. Trumps mother is an immigrant. His wife is an immigrant. But its like all cool you know, because they are white immigrants, not brown.
     
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    It is the us against them mentality in the US, which created the " we want our country back " and some nostalgia thrown in " the good old times " Pleasantvill.
     
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    Methinks you are confusing the AfD with the old National Socialism Party (NSDAP) that slowly rose in German politics after World War I, largely as a reaction to the robust spread of Russian-style Bolshevik Communism during the limp-dick Weimar Republic years. And, of course, you're quite right -- all Germans were furious at the betrayal they received from the Allies once they had stopped fighting and laid down their arms.

    Long, long, LONG ago... and now, 100 years later -- it's true that although Merkel and her CDU Party threw open the borders to many thousands of Middle Eastern and African 'migrants' starting about five years ago, most Germans just 'looked the other way'. They can still buy their groceries at Aldi and Lidl and pay lower prices than anywhere else in Europe for excellent quality stuff. Nord Stream 2 is coming online soon, further guaranteeing Germans with cheap energy for decades to come.... So, don't make too many waves, and... "When you smell sh!t, just spray the room with air freshener instead of removing cause of it...." 8)

    Life is good in Germany... things are cheap... and the government has greatly decreased the importation of masses of useless peasants from the Third World... for a while. Taxes are high, but not much worse than they've always been, and unemployment benefits insure that any German who learns to 'manipulate the system' can just blow off having to work for the rest of his life!

    So, don't worry too much about the AfD. They're mostly just old "East Germans" who lived in an archaic, technologically-deprived, Soviet-era 'bubble' for decades, and they thought that "West Germans" were the model for what Germany should be. But now that 'vision' has mutated into a mashed-up, 'pan-Europa', "1984-esque" nightmare of forced 'inclusiveness', social hatred and unrest, and a persistent drive toward eradicating all sense of country, language, and culture in Germany.

    Forget about the return of "Sieg heil!", which meant "Hail to Victory!" There will be comfort, complacency, and the "good life" for Germans for awhile longer... until there isn't.... :cynic: .
     
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    BREXIT day was a damn fine day. Had a nice Samuel Smith stout and listened to some fine English heavy Metal (Saxon) that night in your honor.
     
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    The good ol' times where black people were 2nd class citizens.
     
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    Absolutely not. The AfD, as it is, a far right wing party where racism, xenophobics, homophobics, anti-Islam, anti-Semitic find their refuge. Plenty of them do not distance themselves from far right wing extremism. I think you're not well informed.

    They were not immigrants. Immigrants aren't welcome. They were refugees. Maybe you have heard of the wars that go on in this world, notable in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria... in them places the US is causing a massive mess.

    Those Germans are on the poor side. Do not want to travel to work, and grind their teeth of some Muslim who does and becomes successful while they live on the dole.
     
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    We sort ourselves out into what 'class' we are as a people by our ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

    If through the millennia, a society has achieved, ON ITS OWN, little more than a mud-hut, thatched-roof culture, where people never rose above uneducated squalor, slash-and-burn agriculture, inter-tribal warfare, slavery, and all without even a rudimentary written language or something as elemental as the WHEEL, it is not surprising that compared with other societies, they could be considered to be "2nd class", or lower....

    Now... compare that with the Germany and Northern Europe of even a thousand years ago! Better yet, compare any of the societies and cultures of Northern Europe with, say, Sub-Saharan Africa in this PRESENT DAY.

    You may enjoy reading, "A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History", by Nicholas Wade....
     
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    Black people didn't know the wheel in the US when they were made to be 2nd class citizens all the way till the 1960's?
    Sounds more like youre sweet talking that Arians and Jews had the right to oppress the non white in the good ol' days.
    So sorry them days aint coming back.

    Ah.. that classic a 1000 year remark. Hitler had something about his 1000 year Reich.
    And Ghana is far more sophisticated than some German medieval territory of a 1000 years ago.
    You really got no idea, fueled by ignorance and probably racism as well.
     
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    Ah! At last, one thing we can agree on. Brexit is going to cost the UK dearly in terms of its economy, and cause a great deal of disruption -- especially for about the first five years. In view of what they're going to be going through it is a good thing for them that they kept the Pound Sterling instead of diving into the euro, but their economy is, after all, only one aspect of this divorce.

    On the plus-side, at least the UK won't have the politically-correct, 'pan-Europa' bunch of hyperliberal Leftist, 'gut-Menschen' idiots in Brussels telling them what they must, and must not do anymore.

    Rule Brittania! It may not always be a fun thing, but at least now YOUR country will be YOURS.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Rather than hurl ugly slogans and baseless, fictional idiocies back at you, I will simply suggest that you read the HISTORIES involved in all this. Sub-Saharan Africa was a stagnant cesspool of tribal warfare, slavery, and standards of living reflective of the Stone Age before White Europeans and Middle-Easterners (along with explorers from India) came across it hundred of years ago.

    You are allergic to the year 1020 A. D. purely because it was "as thousand years ago"? Ok, go back several more hundred years then... to the time of Charlemagne (Karl der Große) and the Holy Roman Empire! It was absolutely orders of MAGNITUDE over anything found in any purely Black culture anywhere on Earth....

    Read the actual HISTORY, and be amazed at what you'll learn!
     
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    lol. Using an African animal as a sign of the sovereignty of the UK. lol
    And we all know it's mostly the elderly that voted against the EU, outvoting the younger generation.
    We also know that Scotland and Northern Ireland don't want Brexit. There hardly was a majority for it.
    It also took 4 years for the UK to make up it's minds after having that referendum. What a fail.
     

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