Navy Cruiser Seizes Huge Iranian Arms Cache in Arabian Sea

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    So, it's okay for you to publicly call for the total destruction of Iran, but it's not okay for some Iranians to express their hatred for America.

    Double-standard much?
     
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  2. Dayton3

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    Now having an embassy in a country counts as an "occupation"? You need to get with that idiot who thinks the U.S. having troops in a country even with the agreement and permission of the government of that country is an "occupation". Equally idiotic.
     
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    It is when the embassy in question is materially and directly involved in propping up a puppet regime inside that country.

    The government in Iran was a dictatorship installed by the CIA. The US embassy in Iran was helping to keep that dictatorship in power. Therefore, it was an occupying force. It's not that hard to figure out, if you're honest.
     
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    But they failed to do so. Meaning at the time of the embassy seizure the U.S. embassy could hardly be called an "occupying force".

    Besides which I'm pretty sure recognized international law puts no restrictions on how an embassy is used. If the country where an embassy is has objections they can always simply kick out all the diplomats and staff and order the embassy closed.

    Mossadegh was hardly elected by what most would call a free and fair election. He had authoritarian tendencies as strong as the Shah ever had.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a ridiculous request - The fact that there are lawsuits to this effect - a lawsuit that was allowed to go ahead - not sure what ever happened to it - suggests that there may be some there there - but this is of no moment.

    What we know for a fact is that Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, the radical Islamists in Pakistan, India and the Ex Soviet Stan's - ALL - follow the same Saudi Inspired Sunni Salafi extremist Islamist ideology. None are following some "Shia"/Iran inspired ideology.

    El Saud has been exporting this ideology all over the world for decades - supporting and sometimes arming these groups.

    Extremist ideology is the school curriculum - to hate Christians, Jews, even Muslims who do not share your particular nut job version of the Quran.

    Clearly you don't know what the faults of El Saud are - or perhaps just don't care - but do try to make the case for KSA being "preferable" to Iran .. what ever the heck that means. Preferable in what way - by what measure ?

    Since you have not given one - how about we use the "exporting terrorism around the Globe" measure.

    Is Iran guilty of this - to some degree - but only in its local sphere of influence - arming/supporting liberation movements - Houthi's - Palestinians. In both these instances these are civil wars -so it is a bit of a stretch to call this arming of terrorist groups - but for arguments sake - lets say this meets the bar - albeit barely (realizing by accepting this definition we have implicated ourselves in a whole lot of terrorist activity over the years)

    El Saud ? No comparison - The folks they arm are insurgent groups - the really nasty kind such as Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban .. and so on -and in areas both close, in and far away from the ME.

    Over the last decade El Saud has engaged in massive war crimes - and crimes against humanity - complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people - What has Iran done that compares to this. Iran spent the last decade fighting Al Qaeda -and all its numerous spawn - all of which are the Spawn of El Saud - of one mind -and of one purpose.
     
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    The US is the biggest supporter of terrorism. Currently they are aiding the genocide in Yemen.
    And the people of Iran were right to riot all their way into the US embassy.
    That was the place the US orchestrated the coup against their government.
    That was the place the US spread terror through their country by aiding that fascist of a shah.
    Heck, it wasn't as if the Iran tossed 5 guided bombs to the US embassy... like the US did to China.
     
  7. Reasonablerob

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    Not at all but I will always advocate Realpolitik
     
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    1. Asking for proof is not ridiculous, that fact that a lawsuit is allowed to go ahead proves nothing.
    2. Yes, they do follow Salafist ideology but are not controlled by the Saudi government, any more that Christian fundamentalists are controlled by the US
    3. Yes, Iran sponsors extremist terrorist movements like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and have exported terrorism around the globe, notably through Islamic Jihad;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad_Organization
    4. What war crimes has the house of Saud been complicit in exactly? Compared to the indescribable evil of Iran?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_Persian_Gulf
     
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    No, sir, you are aiding and abetting the KSA/USA narrative. It's b*******, and we will continue to overthrow governments like Libya and Yemen and wherever else we so choose as long as there are people like you to support the lies. Doing so at the behest of other nations makes us TOOLS... Our taxpayer money, our defenses, and the broken bodies and lost lives of our sons and daughters! To do the bidding of other nations!!!

    As my grandpa would have said, at best, your position is as useless as tits on a boar in this fight, at worst, it's enabling.
     
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    1) ridiculous
    2) not justified by any known set of international law
    3) so? It was more than a quarter century before. The Iranians should've long ago stopped whining about it.
    4) the Shah was far more benevolent to the Iranian people than the fundamentalist dictatorship that came afterwards
    5) Who cares? That was a mistake. And at any rate utterly irrelevant to the issue of Iran.

    Another America hater I see.
     
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    Of course there are international laws restricting what embassies can be used for. There are also domestic laws restricting them. And just basic moral and practical reasons as well.
     
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    Then feel free to list those laws and what controlling legal authority dictates them?
     
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    if I see my child do something immoral or unethical or just plain wrong, and I instruct him on how that is, why he should not do it, and put in place any corrections that I think need to be made, that is not hate sir, that is love.
     
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    Speak for yourself, I'm British.

    The narrative is correct, you cannot just pretend the rest of the world does not exist, especially in strategic areas such as the ME, sticking you head in the sand just means you suffocate.
    My position is demonstrably reasonable, you have no comeback hence your metaphor does not bear fruit. Enabling WHAT exactly?
     
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    The fact that the lawsuit was allowed to go through proves that some Judge thought there was merit to the accusation. There was some stuff released but a whole bunch was redacted.

    The reason your ask was ridiculous is because either way it does not change the fact that Saudi Arabia is a Terrorist Nation.

    That is preposterous nonsense - Christian Fundamentalism is not the State Sponsored Religion in the US.


    Hezbollah and Hamas engage in less terrorism than Israel - you are confusing a civil war with terrorism. Same with the Houthi's.

    The Houthi's are fighting against Al Qaeda - and the Cradle of Al Qaeda Ideology - Saudi Arabia - and again - it is a civil war where both sides are trying to kill each other.

    Saudi Arabia is on the side of Al Qaeda in the conflict in Yemen - As is the US - for which we are currently under investigation for complicity in war crimes and crimes against humanity - committed by the Saudi's

    Not one thing on your list compares to that.
    In addition to Yemen - Saudi Arabia was a major player in the global effort to arm Al Qaeda - and other Islamist Extremists of the same ilk - Syria - an action which led to 500,000 dead, horrific war crimes, crimes against humanity - and so on.

    Iran does not come close to comparing to the evil deeds of El Saud - or the US for that matter. .
     
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    nations are made up of people but they are NOT people.
     
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    Obviously, if you are British, none of what I just said applies to you.

    If you want to go and attack Iran, that's between you and your country.
     
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    Which state?
    There is a rumor that this ME crap is all Britain's fault, is that true?
     
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    I can tell you that I have heard cogent arguments made to that effect.
     
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    The United States of America
     
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    And that changes my relationship with my country how?

    If I see my country doing something I find unethical, I don't contact my Representatives?

    If my representatives are not responsive, I do not vote?
     
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    What a bunch of propaganda inspired blather - To bad those weapons did not make it to the Houthi's - to help them in their fight against Al Qaeda - and the # 1 State sponsor of Terror - El Saud.

    You have no clue what you are talking about. The US has engaged in way more terror than Iran - it is not even a contest.
     
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    Unbelievable!

    "The Iranians want it for themselves?" It amazes me that only Right Wing Republican can say this stuff with a straight face!

    The Shah wasn't super-nice but his torture and killing of any people there would have their teenage jailed and killed because the Shah's wife required every girl in the country to use her single-source uniforms and when a few rebelled, torture and murder of the colors!

    A huge organization for the Shah to terrorize anyone who tried to survive under the Shahs power! Of course, if despite the Shah's cruelties the regular people revolted anyway, the Shah and the American oil companies would just call up the Marines to invade to put down the peasants who, you know, wanted to have something to eat or survive!

    Sometimes it would seem that Americans would wonder about people like the negative religious sects that take over in preference to like the Shah and the Marines and oil company goons!

    Then they do get the religious cruelties after, but the West made that bed, and our taxpayers and our troops created the bed they live in.
     
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    A few strikes on their oil industry would shatter the power structure in Iran.
    Hopefully that will not be necessary. Iran represents the significant 10% minority of a 'protestant' Islam that should never have become an enemy of the USA. Our foreign policy elites, many of them Arabists, have been bungling in Iran for about a century.
    IOW, SNAFU at the DOS.
     
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    right said!!!
     
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