Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Amazing as it may be, there are ideologues so hidebound to their dogma that they persist in rejecting irrefutable science, and still fantasize that anthropogenic climate change is a "Chinese hoax!" or some such loony notion.

    Even hardcore crackpots may have to face the ubiquitous reality as it manifests itself locally. The soaring cost of ignorance is more than can be sustained.

    The extremes predicted, and already apparent, will exact a devastating toll.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Answer these two questions. Just what temperature should the earth be???????????? And tell us what are your qualifications to dictate to the world what that temperature should be?
     
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    The climate has been changing for 4.5 Billion years, of which we can point to a reasonably accurate record for 0 years, since we can only guestimate an average temperature.

    Obama, who claimed he could slow the rise in the oceans, Nobel and all, could not arrest the change in the climate.

    After years of hand wringing, no one has provided proof that man has a significant impact on the climate.

    All the evidence points to anthropogenic climate change is made up. To wit, when Hamas wants to make themselves look like victims and Israel look like the ogre, they fire rockets at Israeli civilians from behind their kids. When the Israelis fire back, the Israeli's are condemned.

    Similarly, the Climate alarmists fire unsubstantiated drivel while hiding behind Greta Thunberg to avoid scrutiny.

    If they had any facts, they wouldn't need the kid.
     
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    Climate nutters can't seem to make up their minds....first the coming ice age, then came the melting of the poles, now it's just 'climate change'. We already had that, it's called 'the weather'.

     
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    About what it was before mankind started burning every fossil fuel it could get its hands on pumping mega tonnes of co2 into the atmosphere

    And the qualifications are the thousands of scientists contributing to the IPCC reports
     
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    Yes and there are people who thought Trump would make a good president......:roll:

    You DO realise don’t you that this was never a mainstream idea amongst the scientific community
     
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    But climate, like your underpants, does not change all by itself

    Tell me

    What is causing the climate to change ?
     
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    Fittingly you posted this in political opinions and beliefs instead of the science forum.
     
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    How many times does this need to be debunked until people such as yourself find a new argument?
     
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    Change by itself? You mean without the influence of man? Are you fur real?
     
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    That's bullshit. I lived through the 70's and it was non-stop scare tactics....the end of the world....oh, just like the AOC 12 year bullshit. R12 freon and hairspray was ending the world. The hole in the ozone. That's it, then end.

    Trump, with all his warts, is making every President in modern history look like a chump. The man keeps his promises and gets **** done. Why the hell do you care about a wall on our border, you're a friggin Aussie.

    So why don't you mind your own political business down in Australia....seems as though the weather changed and your global warming crap has turned into global flooding.
     
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    Since when was main stream media part of the scientific community?

    And quite frankly if THAT is you level of knowledge about the effects of CFC’s on the Ozone then there is no surprise that you have seemingly rejected the findings of the IPCC or that you believe Trump is in any way competent
     
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    I am and IF and I mean IF you have read the science you would also see that the scientists have and do acknowledge that climate has changed without man BUT there have been reasons for this change

    They include but are not confined to:

    Solar output
    Orbital variances (milankovitch cycles)
    Albedo
    Volcanism
    Exposure of lime beds
    Change in atmospheric composition of gases

    Now tell me

    Which of the above is in play NOW
     
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    You have debunked this?

    Tell me what part?

    Are you denying that man is burning enough to produce 23 billion tonnes per year?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel

    Do you think the magic green wish fairy makes all that co2 disappear?
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Scratch a science denier, and you expose the core ideologue.

    It's amusing to see the remnant of knowledge-averse in the US passionately lecturing NASA, NOAA, the US military, etc.

    Federal departments and agencies that are currently part of the U.S. Global Change Research Program, and don't seem to realize that it is a Chinese hoax:

     
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    All of the above and more and things we as yet have no knowledge of.
     
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    But there is research SHOWING that these things are not affecting the climate as much as dumping 21 billion of co2 into the atmosphere every year
     
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    Your "thousands of contributing scientists " claim has been soundly debunked in a previous thread but you won't give it up.
     
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    Research by a relatively small group of scientists dependent on very large grants from organizations wishing to promote AGW that they rely on for their careers.
     
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    Yep, the magic green fairy (trees, plants, algae, etc.) needs it to survive.

    Hello Hello, without CO2 the world does end, that's for damn sure.
     
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    It's the green plant fairies. CO2 makes the planet greener.

    We're working on technology to capture 100% of the CO2 emissions from fuel processing. That captured CO2 can create new markets. But I suppose the easy market solution is worse than taxing everyone into lowering our living standards to abysmal minimalism.

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    Buy a bottle of CO2 today....and save the planet!

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    You are correct Natty, the climate does change.
     
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    Before man was here scientist tell us the earth varied all the way from molten rock to being totally iced over. So again just what specific temp do you say the earth should be?

    And I asked what special qualifications YOU have to dictate what the exact temperature should be.
     
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    The reason global warming types CANNOT tell us what the global temp will be in 60 years is because they have no damned idea what the output of the sun will be. NO ONE can predict that.
     
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    When exactly is eco-doomsday supposed to happen this time?

    We are going to call the eco-doomsayer's bluff. We are not going to do any of the things that the eco-doomsayers claim must be done right away, and by force of law, or we're all doomed. So, exactly when is it going to Happen? Go with your soonest predictions because we are NOT going to do ANY of the things you say MUST be done NOW.

    If global warming is happening, it's moving at about the pace of evolution, so I'm not too worried about staying ahead of it, and neither are the vast majority of people.
     
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