How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence

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  1. Ddyad

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    As I recall Brennan was unable to assure Congress that US intelligence had prevented even one terrorist attack.
     
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    They have ben too busy trying to nail Trump instead of doing their jobs.
     
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    Makes you wonder if the Iraq WMD hoax was really aimed at taking down Bush, and the lucrative war was just the cherry on top of the political sundae.

    A representative constitutional republic with 17 secret police/spy agencies will always be at risk.

    "Closely connected with this transformation of the suspect into the objective
    enemy is the change of position of the secret police in the totalitarian
    state. The secret services have rightly been called a state within the state, and
    this not only in despotisms but also under constitutional or semi-constitutional
    governments. The mere possession of secret information has always
    given this branch a decisive superiority over all other branches of the civil
    services and constituted an open threat to members of the government."
    THE ORIGINS OF TOTALITARIANISM, By Hannah Arendt, Meridian Books, Cleveland, New York, 1958. https://archive.org/stream/TheOriginsOfTotalitarianism/The-Origins-of-Totalitarianism_djvu.txt
     
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    The only secrets our intelligence agencies should have are secrets that keep our operatives safe. Anything else should be open.
     
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    Dunno how you figure that, as the decision was issued in 1833, and thus had only a 35 year window of relevancy in which it might have been judicially overturned - which was damned unlikely, due much more to antebellum political realities than to Barron's constitutional propriety.
    I was already aware of that, obviously. What's your point?
    is irrelevant to the point of contention, obviously.
    And utterly misunderstood by you, clearly, as you might as well cite the Book of Urantia as A1S1&S2 in support of the challenged assertion.
    No it isn't, and you're obviously afraid I can prove it.
    Not there either.
    To be sure. The question is whether you understand what that is.
     
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    It means i can do anything i want that doesn't violate someone elses rights.
    In fact not allowing me to do those things is a violation of mine.
     
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    The short answer to this long explanation and thread is to teach liberals (as they call themselves) progressives and Democrats to be tolerant and open to ideas they don't embrace. Drop the fake news, drop the outrageous behavior, drop the violence and to put America above their own ambitions and their own narcissistic beliefs.

    Democrats need to return to the party of JFK and to the ideals of Reagan and to ostracize Obama and his progressive agenda. Nobody did more damage to America than Obama.
     
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    If you think the DoI affirms individual rights as paramount, you don't understand what it means.
    Wonderful. How do you propose to make them teachable?

    Not a rhetorical question, BTW.
     
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    How? The left wrecks everything. You can start by getting better teachers and better parents that know right from wrong. Fake professors supporting Communism and socialism are poisoning the youth. They know nothing and grow up supporting things that would kill the very country they were "entitled" to live in.

    Progressives are the new Nazi's.
     
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    :All men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among which are life liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Definition of liberty
    (Entry 1 of 2)

    1: the quality or state of being free:
    a: the power to do as one pleases
    b: freedom from physical restraint
    c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic (see DESPOT sense 1) control
    d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges
    e: the power of choice


    Do you know what it means?

    Liberal constitutional scholars sure as hell don't.. this issue is very simple. And only complicated by those who wish to exhibit control over their countrymen.. the exact opposite of what the founding fathers intended.
     
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    And just how do you expect me to get that done?
    Thanks for nothing.
    There's more to that quote, so why stop there, hmmmm?
    lol
    Be that as it may, some of them can at least understand the letter of the Constitution - which, to all appearances heretofore, is more than can be said for you.
     
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    I'll take that question for $40.00. I don't think any of this is teachable, because where you come down on rights versus obligations is a matter of philosophy. Liberals see government as a source of rights and guarantor of equality, with a solemn responsibility to "do good." Conservatives do not. Liberals occasionally wake up and switch sides, but not because of anyone teaching them to be tolerant. They just figure it out. Occasionally.
     
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    Not at all. I can see you've never actually read either section. Give it a try, and with an open mind.
     
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    Sure, it might have. :rolleyes:

    You are talking about what should be ("propriety"), versus what is ("reality").

    In the real world, as opposed to "in your reading of the BOR", it took the XIVth Amendment to make the Bill of Rights applicable to the states. Thank you for citing that Barron case to help prove my point. I bet you went looking for it in order to prove me wrong. Keep a-huntin'. (To be sure, I fully accept that there may be some controlling or even persuasive, or heck, even some mildly interesting authority out there that says I am wrong. I look forward to seeing it. So far ... I see nothing but insults.)
     
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    As i have said, they complicate their explanations to falsify what it says to suit their own agendas. So. They are liars and can shove their degrees where the sun doesn't shine. I have no intentions of being their slaves.
     
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    You think I'm scared of the next bit? The next bit adds fuel to the fire..
    "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government."


    Please note that when a government becomes destructive to the rights of the people, the people have the right to overthrow it. And that's not referring to elections.. the Democrats are making our government destructive to the rights of the people and they need to stop or their will be violence. Just violence.
     
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    No sense tryna troll the y-man, pilgrim.
    My mind is not open to imbecilities, apologies for any inconvenience.
    Well yeah. Is that supposed to be a problem?
    Of course you do, because you think it proves you right when it does no such thing - a possibility I was aware of to begin with, of course.
    They're not the problem here, you are.
    Your confidence is directly proportional to your ability to remain oblivious to its implications.
    And just who do you suppose does the instituting? Hmmm?
    This might be a good time for you to question how much regard for the American revolutionaries had for the rights of those colonists who, though they would not lift a finger to aid the British military, were nevertheless perfectly happy to continue living under British rule.
     
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    Not going to speculate on what dead people thought, I'm more than happy to take their words at face value. And they clearly wrote that the purpose of the American government was to ensure that the God given rights of the people were protected.


    Furthermore anyone who doesn't hold the bill of rights as absolutely sacred and unchangeable has worthless opinions of the constitution and can be dismissed outright. Regsrdless of the fancy letters behind their name
     
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    All these questions of what is and is not acceptable speech will be resolved by the AOC Brain directive chip which all Z-gen humans will have implanted in their skulls by the end of 2028 and or by end of the environmental atmosphere, after which all such transformed humans will be issued instructions to be transported to Off World Habitats now covertly under construction.
     
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    Sure you are, to the extent they serve to confirm your prejudices.
    Well that's a helluva way to talk about the framers and ratifiers of the Constitution as amended by the BoR, seeing they did effectively render a certain provision in the original document unchangeable, but failed to render the BoR similarly immutable.

    You don't want to know which provision that is, of course, but maybe someone else does.
     
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    If the government tried to change the bill of rights it would be the duty of the American people to revolt, with extreme violence if necessary, these are God given rights, just like declaration of independence says and no government has the authority to change that. That is what inalienable means.

    A government that ceases to preserve these rights is distinctly not American.
    Anyone seeking to change those rights is an enemy of America and a tyrant plain and simple.
     
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    This of course is abject lunacy, as even if a proposal to amend the BoR made it out of Congress, all that would be necessary is the refusal of 13 states to ratify it.
     
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    No, but sometimes one has to hit rock bottom first. Like a recovering addict or drunk it has to get so bad that you are forced to dig yourself out. If you can come up with an AHo!e prevention clinic you'll be a very rich person...
     
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    America is lunacy got it thanks for the clarification.
     
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    As predicted by Pink Floyd in the Dark Side of the Moon album.
    Now that you have spilled the beans - again - you may want to brush up on your Mandarin - stat.

     

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