Jesus was a Jew. Why do some Christians and Muslims hate Jews?

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    Im not super into the precise particulars, would need to ask somoene who is, however my understanding is not that jc died 'for their sins' but for them to have the ability to have their sins forgiven, Saul was used as an example for that one.
     
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    But thats what its all about isnt it? Making the prophesies come true come hell or high water?

    There is a reason you never tell a J-W as distinguished from a 'Jew', that they did not have their holocaust pyre, because they did!

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    They torched the Germans as their olah offering and admit their guilt and ownership by using the precise label and description of the traditional blood ritual used for such things.

    The J-Ws and their proxies torched close to 1/2 million germans in less than 12 hours when they burned dresden alone and went on to several other german.

    We have the proof, we have video, we have military documents we have admissions from the J-Ws that executed the atrocities that the germans were the victims of the holocaust as well as 'well meaning Jews' especially the 150,000 Jews that fought beside hitler in hitlers army, NOT the 'J-Ws' that created the holocaust industry.

    The holocaust is very real, no other marketing scheme has been proven as remotely as effective and successful as the 'Holocaust Industry'.

    Whats not real is the false 'assumption' the J-Ws are the victims. It was so effective that even though they admit they performed their 'Holocaust Ritual' by calling it exactly what is was, the general population in america, land of the DDD dumbed down dimwits, still think the J-Ws were the victims!

     
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    Which goes against everything that the Jews and Jesus, a Jewish Rabbi, taught.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and unless completely immoral, Christians won't either.

    There are a lot of immoral Christians who run from discussing moral issues because of their immoral stance, but none have ever denied the point I just put.

    2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    These last two show what is required for salvation and they exclude sacrifice.

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    DL
     
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    For Jesus and the Jews, sure. Prophesy was all.

    Jews were willing, perhaps even eager, to have a test to see if Jesus was what he claimed to be. He failed as he never returned in those days, as prophesized.

    I have no idea what you mean by a J-W compared to a Jew.

    Also, there is almost no evidence of human sacrifice in Judaism. I do remember one story of a man who offered his daughter for a military victory but forget if he ever did the deed.

    In those days though, there might have been babies being sacrificed in those areas where the environment could not support a population that was growing too quickly. Limited resources create choices would would rather not make sometimes.

    Even that was fairly rare as in those days, religions tried to sanctify sex, so to speak, in order to reduce the numbers of sexual episodes. That and the liberal use of Temple prostitutes who were well respected and well used as they were king of the center of the economy. It is the oldest profession for a reason, although lying preacher predate them.

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    Oh, no. She didn't hear stories? Well that disproves everything. Can't help but notice you didn't actually quote her denying anything.
     
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    It seems to me that “believers” of all sorts remain devout in equal measures to their dumb-downiness. The western three (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) derive from primitive, superstitious man. Judaism set the parameters and then Christianity and Islam lost their minds over waiting for the Messiah and so they conjured a whole new set of superstitions of their own that run consecutive to the “in house” Judaic ones, thus making both Christianity and Islam nothing more than Judaic renegade cults. But where Judaism engages logic (that applies to “everyone”) the other two are sheer evil in their exclusion of non-believers of their own concoction. Christian and Islamic envy-cum-hatred goes a long way in answering your question in the OP.



    Jews + 3

    Christians - 4

    Moslems - 5
     
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    And I couldn't help but notice that you evaded my question.

    A point I have been trying to make all along is that refusing to believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) has nothing to do with either anti Jewish or pro Nazi sentiment.
    My earlier question to you is just such an example.
    So, do you believe that it is possible to fit 3 people into a space that is 1 foot square and do you really believe it was physically possible to execute and cremate 25,000 people per day at Auschwitz (July 1944 etc).
    These are just two of the physically impossible claims that comprise the SHN

    I cited sources for both examples in my previous Posts #509 & #523.

    Thanks,
     
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    Your question is full of nonsense. For one thing, it assumes that bodies that were not cremated don't count . . . which is ****ing insane. You are just copy/pasting neo-Nazi blogs without actually considering the "logic" (being generous here) of the argument. Again, census info proves there was a sudden drop in the Jewish population in the millions.
     
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    your census data comes from Zionist blogs, none are a true census, and we know how the J-Ws count of 4 million at auschwitz had to be reduced to 1 million, so we would have to have a few screws loose to believe your data.
     
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    What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940
    by Friedrich Stieve (Author)

    Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe—and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time.

    The author lists all of Hitler’s offers [for peace] in detail, complete with quotes, starting with:

    his first offer [for peace] of May 17, 1933,

    his second offer [for peace] of December 18, 1933,

    his third offer [for peace] of May 21, 1935,

    his fourth offer [for peace] of March 31, 1936,

    his fifth offer [for peace] of September 30, 1938,

    his sixth offer [for peace] of December 6, 1938,

    his seventh offer [for peace] of late 1939 to Poland


    to settle the Danzig Corridor issue peacefully, and finally,

    his offer of [for] world peace on October 6, 1939,

    just over a month after Britain and France had declared war on Germany for invading Poland on September 1 (but not on the Soviet Union, which also invaded Poland on September 17).

    This edition benefits from four new sections which did not appear in the original publication. These are:

    - The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain. This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;

    - Hitler’s Political Testament, dictated just hours before his death on April 29, 1945, wherein he spelled out once again how he had tried to avoid the war, and blamed Jewish agitators for the refusal of other nations to accept his peace offers;

    - Hermann Göring’s final letter—from this death cell in Nuremberg—to Winston Churchill, in which he blamed the latter’s warmongering on behalf of “Jewish Bolsheviks” for the conflict; and

    - An extract from The Forrestal Diaries, in which the US Secretary of State William Forrestal quotes British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain as complaining that “the world Jews” have forced England into the war.

    Fully reset and illustrated throughout with 22 rare photographs and reproductions of original documents.

    https://www.amazon.com/What-World-Rejected-Hitlers-1933-1940-ebook/dp/B00M5K8OEM


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    How did the allies respond to hitlers SEVERAL OFFERS OF PEACE?

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    More evasions and false accusations...
    All I've done is to ask you two simple questions about the outrageous claims that are believed by the same people who believe that the Nazis gassed millions.
    Neither source is a "Neo Nazi blog" and both examples I cited are used by the Holocaust Industry to arrive at their inflated number of victims.
     
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    And you keep "citing" information that doesn't actually support your argument. For example, you cite one person who says they didn't personally witness the gassings or hear about them at the time . . . and you try to insinuate that means that the gassings didn't happen, which is just a mindnumbingly dumb argument.

    Again, check the census data. I'm sure the but-Hitler-was-an-okay-guy cult doesn't like the census data, but they can't quite explain the sudden disappearance of millions of Jews . . . especially in light of thousands of eyewitnesses that challenge the cult's worship and attest to the historical facts . . . plus the Nazi cult's own internal documents attesting to the same mass murder.
     
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    He doesnt have any 'valid' census data, he made it up, just like the 6 million, its all made up.
     
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    Churchill killed more people in WWII than Hitler ever thought about.
     
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    The Bible plainly says that the Jews killed the Jesus character. In the Babylonian Talmud, the Jews brag about using five different methods to kill Jesus.
     
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    Did you know that the US sent Jews to Nazi Germany during the war?
     
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    The God character was pissed off at Saul because Saul showed mercy. He never did forgive him for that.
     
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    The Jews did not participate in censuses because they didn't want their numbers revealed.
     
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    You don't seem to understand the simple point I am trying to make which is that holocaustians, gullible members of the Holocaust cult, must believe physical impossibilities in order to believe that Hitler was responsible for the murder of about 6 million Jews and 5 million other people.

    In order to arrive at these mythical body counts, holocaustians must actually believe physical impossibilities such as the delusion that 3 people can fit into 1 square foot(1) and that 20,000 - 25,000 people were gassed and cremated per day at Auschwitz in mid 1944 (2).
    Those are both claims fabricated by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry - Lobby and its complicit MSM and used to arrive at their grossly inflated victim body counts.

    My simple point is that if you believe that the Nazis executed about 6 million Jews & 5 million others, you must believe that 3 people can fit into a square foot and that it was physically possible for the Nazis to gas and cremate 20,000 - 25,000 people per day.

    My very simple question is: Do you actually believe these 2 physical impossibilities?

    It is noteworthy that extensive Allied air reconnaissance detected little coal/coke at Auschwitz for cremations, and absolutely no evidence of lines to the "gas chamber" or billowing smoke from excessive cremations.




    (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED


    (2) “THE CAMPS”
    https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm

    EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED
     
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    That didn't seem to stop the American Jewish Committee and the NY Times from providing figures that refute the Holocaust myth:

    "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
     
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    And thats all you have!
    Keep doubling down, stack that bullshit deep!



    Allied Military Police

    NO GASSING

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    It was proven not only by the US Criminal Forensic Expert Charles Larsen, and Britains Barton, way back in 1945 and a memo circulated to the police centers in 1948 that no gassing took place, yet the Marxi-Zio-Commie J-Ws evangelize spreading massive propaganda and LIES.



    Witnesses to the Gas Chambers of Auschwitz
    By Robert Faurisson
    Published: 1993-01-01

    My first trial took place in 1981, followed by the appeal in 1983. Not one single
    [self declared] witness took the risk of appearing in court.

    On April 26, 1983, the Paris Court of Appeal rendered its verdict. Naturally, I was found guilty, as one might have expected, for "harm to others" which is in fact to say for harm caused to Jews for the exposition of my theses in the mainstream press. Yet the court coupled this verdict with remarks sufficient to cause my adversaries a fair degree of consternation. My work was judged to be serious and yet dangerous. It was dangerous because, in the opinion of the judges, it appeared I allowed other persons the possibility of exploiting my discoveries for reprehensible ends!

    All the while, this same work was serious in the sense that, in the opinion of the court, one could uncover neither negligence, frivolousness, willful ignorance, nor lies - and this contrary to what had been affirmed by the adversarial party, which had accused me of "causing harm to others by falsification of history." (sic)

    On the subject of testimonies, the court went so far as to pronounce:

    "The researches of Mr. Faurisson have dealt with the existence of the gas chambers which, to believe multiple testimonies, would have been used during the Second World War to systematically put to death a portion of those persons deported by the German authorities." (my emphasis)

    The court perfectly summarized what it called my "logical thread" and my "reasoning" by specifying that, for me,

    "[...] the existence of the gas chambers, such as usually described since 1945, conflict with an absolute impossibility, which suffices by itself to invalidate all the existing testimonies or, at the least, to stamp them with suspicion."

    Finally, the court, drawing a practical conclusion from these considerations, decreed the right of every Frenchman not to believe in the evidence and witnesses of the gas chambers. It stated:

    "The value of the conclusions defended by Mr. Faurisson [as to the problem of the gas chambers] rests therefore upon the sole appreciation of the experts, the historians and the public."

    Two weeks later, Simone Veil publicly reacted to this judicial decision - upsetting for her and her co-religionists - with a declaration of extreme importance. She admitted the absence of proofs, of traces and even witnesses of the gas chambers, but added this absence was easily explained because:

    "Everyone knows [she asserts] that the Nazis destroyed these gas chambers and systematically eradicated all the witnesses." :icon_shithappens::icon_shithitsthefan

    To begin with, "everyone knows" is not an argument worthy of a jurist. Furthermore, Simone Veil, believing perhaps to be getting out from behind the eight-ball, made her case only worse; in effect, in order to uphold what she was claiming, it would have been necessary for her to prove not only that the gas chambers had existed but that the 'Nazis' had destroyed them and that they liquidated all the witnesses: a vast criminal undertaking about which one wonders on what order, when, with whom and by what means the Germans would have carried it out in greatest secrecy.

    But what does it matter? We shall take note of this concession by S. Veil: there is neither proof, nor traces, nor witnesses to the gas chambers.

    It so happens that, in trying to reassure her circle, S. Veil clothed this surprising concession with conventional parlance. Here is, therefore, in her own words, what she confided in an interview-event for France-Soir Magazine (May 7, 1983, p. 47), of which the title was: "Simone Veil's warning in regard to Hitler's diaries: 'We risk banalizing genocide'":

    By Robert Faurisson
    1993-01-01


    This people is why the Marxi-Zio-Commies will never provide any court worthy particulars for their claims, they are all houses of cards, every last bit of it to impose our culture and undermine our governments by subterfuge to gain illegitimately leveraged political power. Everything these people preach is based in fraud. The official records have been out there for a very long time, and pretended not to exist. Take note, the Rothschilds are no longer in the banking business, which means they buried it so deep in trusts no one (not even governments) will be able to afford to root up the truth.

    Gas chambers? :icon_shithappens:
    Mass murder? :icon_shithappens:
    Extermination, (murder)? :icon_shithappens:
     
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    You are copy/pasting the Almanac argument, which relies on "information" that was later corrected and which, from what I recall of this denialist meme, was based on religion rather than ethnicity. Census info is more accurate. Try checking out the census data. Why are you scared to look?
     
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    And it is adorable that you think so. But census participation is typically mandatory, and you'd have to explain why they participated one year and not another. The hysterical, neo-Nazi "historians" still can't seem to figure out how millions of Jews suddenly vanished from the face of the earth . . . you know, besides the explanation backed up by internal documents and thousands of eye witnesses.

    Sometimes the desire to malign Jews means making up any **** necessary. It was the same tactic adopted by the Nazis that the denialists defend. Which is why their historical ignorance is met with such a response.
     
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    Yes. Did you know that is a desperate distraction from the facts? You keep using "but what about" arguments. That has nothing to do with whether or not the Holocaust happened, and it objectively did.
     
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    Of course the 6 million figure is BS, just like the figures in the Bible and in the Talmud.

    Did the 1900, 1910, 1920,1930, 1940, 1950, 1960 US census forms ask if people were Jewish?

    As you are aware, people can generally call BS on just about any topic but as soon as they call BS on the "holocaust" or any other Jewish fairy tale they are immediately crucified. Imagine getting crucified because you don't believe in Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny.
     
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