Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

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  1. KAMALAYKA

    KAMALAYKA Banned

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    The international scientific community says one thing. The American Republican Party says another.
     
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    When can I swoop in and pay pennies on the dollar for prime beachfront property as woke people sell off ahead of rising sea level?
     
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    How much are they paid? How much would they lose if their hoax was exposed? There is no way for anyone to know with certainty what causes climate variability. Heck, all the predictions are based on models that are known to exaggerate sensitivity to GHGs.

    Start with the RICO20
    Roger Pielke Jr recently made the remarkable discovery that, in addition to his university salary from George Mason University (reported by Pielke as $250,000), Jagadish Shukla, the leader of the #RICO20, together with his wife, had received a further $500,000 more in 2014 alone from federal climate grants funnelled through a Shukla-controlled “non-profit” (Institute for Global Environment and Security, Inc.), yielding total income in 2014 of approximately $750,000.

    Actually, the numbers are even worse than Pielke thought.

    • Pielke had quoted Shukla’s 2013 university salary, but his university salary had increased more than 25% between 2013 and 2014: from $250,816 in 2013 to $314,000 in 2014.
    • In addition, the “non-profit” organization had also employed one of Shukla’s children (not reported, but say $90,000); and,
    • IGES transferred $100,000 from its climate grants to a second corporation controlled by the Shukla family (the Institute for Global Education Equality of Opportunity and Prosperity, Inc.), which in turn transferred $100,000 to an educational charity in Shukla’s home town in India, doubtless a worthy charity, but one that Shukla could have supported from his own already generous stipend.
    Over a million dollars in total in 2014 alone.

    In addition, Shukla’s long-time associate, James Kinter, participated in the same double dip, though on a less grandiose scale. Kinter, also a Professor at George Mason, doubled his 2014 university salary of $180,038 with $171,320 from IGES, for a total 2014 income of $351,358.

    https://climateaudit.org/2015/09/28/shuklas-gold/
     
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    If you have a 97% consensus, why are you unwilling to do anything at all about the impending eco-doom unless you can compel the remaining 3% of climate denying hold outs to do it as well? Are you really willing to let the planet burn if you can't compel every last person to join you?
     
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    I hope that everyone in the world one day has Al Gore's carbon footprint.
     
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    The climate of the earth has been changing since the planet first acquired an atmosphere. We exist as a species largely because of climate change. If you think you can control climate change by regulating CO2 you know nothing about climate weather or geology.
     
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    All you gave are examples of change without proving it is linked to climate change. Talk about dogma!
     
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    Keep your eye on Martha's Vineyard. When they start to evacuate Martha's Vineyard, it's time to take ACGCC seriously.
     
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    :love:~ It's raining here in Los Angeles ... ☔
     
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    If that
    If that changes, it's definitely a sign of eco-doom.
     
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    According to the global warming enthusiasts, our earth normal temp was in 1850, the planet should never cool or warm from that year, and if it ever does, human induced CO2 is to blame.

    I do like how "Climate change is expected to make droughts even longer and more intense, to lead to milder winters and lower snowfall totals and to lead to more frequent extreme rain events." So droughts and lower snowfall somehow also means extreme rain events. what is it, droughts or extreme rain. Doesn't extreme rain negate drought?
     
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    I also lived thru the '70s. In school we were bombarded with documentaries, and science projects predicting a population bomb, mass starvation and an uninhabitable planet, all due to a new ice-age partially caused by air pollution. We were also told we were going to run out of metals and minerals and would not be able to generate enough food to feed us.

    Funny thing was, the generation engineering this scare mongering was the same generation who polluted our air, and yet they made us feel guilty as if we shared the blame for all this.
     
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    Gee I don’t know what YOUR teachers were reading but I too lived through the seventies and did all science subjects

    We got no such shiiite
     
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    According to who?

    If you cannot name your source then it is a straw man fallacy
     
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    Really, well the Aus government believes our horror bushfire season was linked to climate change

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...e/news-story/52bb968f023b4d5ff494694939f05c69
     
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    You never sat thru documentaries on pollution? I remember doing science experiments with fruit flies, to replicate the population bomb theory. The doom and gloom mentality was throughout or culture, with movies like Logan's Run and to Soylent Green. Even Nimoy was brought in to warn us of the impending doom. Maybe you slept thru the 1970s.

     
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    It was my way of showing the hubris of the warmists. Here, I'll use it again, you tell me where earth climate temperature normal is.
     
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    Everything is a sign of the impending climate apocolypse. Too much rain it's climate to little it's climate change. More hurricanes it's climate change.

    Sorry boys and girls but the climate is always changing and you can't stop it certainly not by regulating a trace atmospheric gas that only tracks with warming at the grossest possible level.
     
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    BTW, all the links I've posted in this thread - I just Googled them all over the past 15 minutes.
     
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    Again who are these “warmists” you refer to?

    Are they the scientists at NOAA?

    Are they the scientists that contributed to the Berkeley Earth project?

    Are they the scientists that contributed to the IPCC reports?

    Or are they an appellation to an imaginary group touted by the fossil fuel industry or scapegoat so they do not have clean up their collective acts
     
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    A you tube!

    How scientific!

    Show me the research papers from the 1970s not some TWONK getting funded by Big Oil
     
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    Hmmmm.
    https://www.lre.usace.army.mil/Port...Info/docs/WaterLevels/LTA-GLWL-Graph_2016.pdf
     
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    Virtually no one really understand the science at a level where they can say whether it is accurate or not. These are the knowns: The climate changes. Man affects the climate. His effect is mostly warming.

    These are the unknowns: How much has man affected the climate? How much can we change the outcome? How accurately can we predict the outcome?

    We repeatedly hear about the 97%. In actuality there was no survey of individual scientists which produced a 97% consensus. Most actual studies are somewhere in the 60% range which is a long way from being a consensus.
     
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