Hezbollah - American Forces Surrounded In Iraq

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  1. Heartburn

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    What I believe it is that Muslims that chop off prisoners heads and record it for tv. That is what influenced my choice. You seem to feel all you have to do is tell either side that you're neutral.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, I do not support Muslims or Christians that use violence - none of us should

    wrong, I feel we should tell both sides bad is bad and speak out against the bad
     
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    Didn't say anything about supporting them, I don't support them either.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First of all there is no such thing as a Christian religious fanatic. There are fundamentalists who are immature Christians, and who can't separate their faith from their traditions, and there are elitists who are very, very, immature Christians and feel everyone else is going to hell.

    As for nationalism, it is self love and therefore the antithesis of Christianity. Take a good look at the Swastika, it's a crooked cross - an occult symbol. The Germans were pagans.
     
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    I have no ideal where your going with this.
     
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    For you and me it sounds like an extremly stupid idea.
    George Bush thought otherwise.
    The idea that was playing in his mind is that this is exactly what happened in Germany and Japan after WW2.
    His father was smarter.
    Then Obama, who was not smarter than Bush, decided that if the US will let Iran do whatever it liked, the Ayatulas will start loving the US. And this is how we came to this day.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Basically you believe in genocide (nuking) civilians you do not believe are free.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama restricted Iran by the deal, Trump was stupid and freed them from the deal

    I do agree with you about Bush, we never should have went to war with Iraq, it was like grabbing the tiger by the tail, once we let go, it all goes to heck... the question is, how much more should we spend to get things back to at least where they were before we got there, or do we just accept that we missed up and let it go
     
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    not my problem.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He did believe that massive force against the people of Iraq would make them democratic

    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Bernard+Lewis+revisited:+what+if+Islam+isn't+an+obstacle+to+democracy...-a0124862963

    as well of course as wanting control of oil

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ar-oil-resources-energy-peak-scarcity-economy

    which all fitted in with the PNAC program of 'Clean Break' for Israel

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/03/worlddispatch.iraq

    No, the US mistake was believing they were sane and rational and their disregard for the lives of people who are not American as they went on a war which in the UK had the highest protest ever, on lies, on information that if they did this they would increase terrorism - even though that was what they were claiming they were fighting their war against.

    If that means those who planned this war are sane and rational then there is no sane and rational

    https://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/about-though-israel/
     
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    glad you are not president, nukes are a last resort, not a first resort

    and I would not want to be an American soldier if we nuked all around the American forces as that could easily affect them too
     
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    General Wesley Clark is from my own state. Smart, handsome, articulate.

    He is also a complete loon.

    Once suggested that the U.S. "should be more like Switzerland". Also proposed the "rewilding" of the American west so that "when the larger animals go extinct in Africa, the U.S. can attract tourist dollars by promoting safaris across the American west".
     
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    While i agree we should be out of there. I would reject any notion of showing restraint on protecting out people.

    I also have no trouble blowing any and every Hezbollah member to hell, i was gonna say kingdom come but that aint where they are going.
     
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    Arabs understand the language of force
     
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    Nah, I believe in nuking dictatorships who threaten my liberty—in the same way and for the same reason I advocate a shotgun to blast to the face of a rabid pit bull attacking my Tibetan Spaniel.
     
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    Nuke'em till they glow then shoot'em in the dark.

    Kill'em all and let God sort'em out.
     
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    And Americans understand the language of imperialism/colonialism. The irony is particularly poignant. :roll:
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Imperialism/colonialism basically civilized most of the nonwestern world and lifted it out of literally herds of people squatting in mud and swatting at insects, wondering where there next meal is coming from.
     
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    What the US (and the west) just don't get is that places like Iraq need a strongman like Saddam/Assad to keep the religious nutbags in check because they just can't do democracy. Their religion was is too crazy and too strong.

    I wish I could travel back in time to the USA the day after 9/11 and tell Bush to do the following (if I had his ear).
    Reduce Afghanistan to rubble from the air and when the Taliban peep thru the rubble, turn that rubble into smaller rubble and tell Iraq, Iran and even KSA, that's what you get.

    Next, with the all the money saved, 2T?, USA should invest the lot into moving away from Middle Eastern oil. Nuke power, hydrogen, solar, farts, I don't care. Anything but middle east oil. The west should aim to be completely off Middle Eastern oil ASAP and let them squabble among themselves for 500 years or how ever long it takes :)
     
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    I can see that facts (and history) are too complicated for you in large doses so let us begin with fact number one and see how long you can keep up:

    You say ...
    The first inspection team was saturated with CIA spies, which was confirmed by the United Nations. It was, therefore, necessary to create a second international team led by Hans Blix. They were given FULL ACCESS to the twelve sites where the U.S. said were positively keeping WMD's.

    Eleven of those sites were successfully inspected and NO WMD's were found. Just as the inspection team was about to inspect the twelfth and final site, the U.S said they were going to invade and that the inspection team had to leave. This is fact and Hans Blix's words on the matter can be quoted.

    So I have to ask you two things: Have you read a single history book and are you ready for fact number 2?
     
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    That is why Arabs are fighting an armed war against the force of Zionism. As the Americans say, "What is good for the goose is good for the gander" so the Palestinians are giving the Israelis a taste of their own medicine. Maybe you should have said ..... Israelis understand the language of force.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are deeply confused. Have you read a single history book?
     
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    Ah yes, the First Gulf War.
    The Western Left bitterly opposed that. It would be a catastrophe
    they said, it was about oil, Saddam will fire the oil wells, there should
    be sanctions, war is not the answer, the whole Middle East will
    erupt in flames and so on, so on.
    It all went well - even giving Saddam the idea of firing the oil
    wells didn't bring out Global Freezing. Pity.
    So after the debacle of Bush Jnr's attack on Saddam the prophecies
    of the First Gulf War subsided - the experts will be proven right
    eventually.
     
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    No, America doesn't understand the language of imperialism.

    Russia understands it - you go occupy Poland, Lithuania, Finland etc..
    You reach right across to the Pacific Ocean, the Baltic Sea and the
    Atlantic.
    China understands the language of imperialism - your emperor draws
    dashed lines across the Sth China seas and you create islands - so
    SE Asia becomes a colony like Tibet is.
    Iran understands the language of imperialism - they had empires as
    far as Greece, and did it three times. Now it's the "Shiite Crescent"
    to the Mediterranean.
    The Comanche's understood imperialism, they drove out the Apaches
    and Hispanics and conquered Mexico.
    The Aztecs and Incas understood empire - they extracted the blood of
    their subjects in a most brutal manner.
    In the Pacific I think it was Tonga that was the first to embark upon a
    great empire - but they were stopped by the British (many Polynesians
    can be thankful for that.)

    So America has done a lousy job of having an empire. They should have
    taken control of Mexico and Canada long ago, absorbed all the Pacific
    as most Hawaii's and occupied SE Asia.
     
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    Iraq does not threaten your liberty. You threaten its and have done for a long time.

    You believe on a genocide of the people who live in what you call Dictatorships. You issue with dogs belongs to your dog protection society not here. Ever tried anger Management? I suspect it may save a few lives.
     
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