Would you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2020?

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    She would actually make a more capable president than the other candidates. But it her moral character that is the problem. She is willing to say anything to get elected and would rather play political politics to stay in power.
     
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    We are not the ones crying and conducting endless investigations and coups. Nobody loses worse than the progressive/Democrat arm of the country.

    I don't read anything he posts as I am positive his "advise" is nothing more than nonsense and slander.

    Have a good Saturday, Jake. :)
     
  3. JakeStarkey

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    JakeStarkey said:
    You have the right, my friend. You guys won but you are such 'sore winners'. I bet you will be even more 'sore losers' in a few months.

    LafayetteBis offers you such good guidance, Bucky: take it.
    May your Saturday be good, too. Investigations? Umpty ump numbers on Clinton, McCabe, other good American government officials; Durham, Barr, and the others chasing chimeras in the DOJ?

    The coup by Trump was stopped flat in its tracks in 2018. The elections from early 2017 through today have heavily favored the Dems. Really, you should take Lafayette's advise.
     
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  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HISTORY LESSON!

    Trump had nothing whatsoever to do with the "present prosperity" of America. Meaning its present low unemployment rate.

    The Replicants were responsible for the fact that unemployment exploded under Bush, and when Obama got elected his ARRA-bill of expenditure ($831 billion) stopped dead the unemployment rate that had exploded to around 10%. See that history (Employment-to-population ratio) recorded officially here by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Note also that in the 2010 midterms Americans stoopidly voted control of the HofR majority to the Replicants, who BLOCKED all further stimulus-expenditure to put Americans back to work. What happened? Look at that E-to-p Ratio chart linked above. From January 2010 to March 2014 the country was constantly at a rate of around 58.5% "E-to-p Rato". No new jobs were being created!

    Why? Because the Replicants wanted high-unemployment at the November 2011 elections to get rid of Obama! But that ploy didn't work, did it?!? Obama got reelected!

    Moreover, the Replicants continued to refuse in the HofR (from which all spending bills must issue) any further stimulus-spending. So the lower E-to-p Ratio lasted until Americans woke-up and started spending once again in October 2013!
    There was no stimulus-spending whatsoever from Washington that provoked the economic recovery!

    (And it had nothing whatsoever to do with Donald Dork either! He was out playing golf in Florida!)

    You Replicants have no sense of factual history, which is why you have no notion whatsoever of how to rebuild an economy in distress. And Donald Dork had nothing whatsoever to do with the eventual economic recovery. He actually lost the popular-vote election to Hillary but got elected PotUS uniquely due to the erroneously unfair manipulation of the Electoral-College vote!

    Any Real American should be ashamed of the above historical record of politics in the US that put so many people out-of-work for so long. And you personally have no sense whatsoever of the recent factual economic-history of America ... !
     
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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aside from the fact that he had Absolutely Nothing To Do With America's Present Prosperity!

    He lost the general election but won in the warped Electoral College. He then "happened to be there" when the economy corrected itself.

    Just look here at the Employment-to-population Ratio history of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. (That is LOOK AT THE FACTUAL ECONOMIC EVIDENCE!) The economy started creating jobs way back in November 2013. He was out playing golf then! Trump formally announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015.

    Get your historical facts straight ... !
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Well she wouldn't be a wise choice to beat Trump, given her track record. But would I prefer her over Trump? Definitely. She's been demonized by the right for a long time, but most of the bad things about her are just propaganda. I respect her for trying to get comprehensive health coverage going back in the day when republicans proposed an individual mandate as the conservative alternative.
     
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  7. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    PREDESTINED EVOLUTION

    Yes, well, all that is just the frosting on the cake.

    But the cake aint doing so well when you one looks at the basic economic condition of the US. Good for you that you are earning a decent salary and look forward to a decent retirement. You're a lucky fella.

    But on a larger perspective - which is crucial to economic well-being - shows that all is not well in the nation of George Washington. And the reason is historic in nature.

    Since at least a century and a half, we've been through three significant Change of Ages. The changes were prompted by what some people call "automation". Western economies have been through at least two significant alterations. The first being the Agricultural Age where the land produced all wealth. The arrival in the 19th century of the steam engine changed everything. Steam-driven tractors were far more proficient at turning soil than men and horses with a plow.

    What happened? Gradually over a period of half a century, those who worked in farming were induced to move to the cities to work in industry. That which economists call the Industrial Age, when large workshops produced machinery that allowed a significant leap in productivity. Machines always have and always will have a productivity multiple significantly larger than mankind. (If programmed/employed properly).

    Yes, we are exiting the Industrial Age already. In the US, Industry provides jobs to barely 12.8% of the entire workforce. (Check out that significant data-point here.) That figure is likely to diminish only slightly as production-machinery requires labor to program and run production-lines. We are nonetheless transforming from the Industrial to the Information Age.


    Which means what? Specifically, that just as in the beginning of the 20th century one needed a secondary-school diploma to work, nowadays the necessity if for a post-secondary diploma. The use of sophisticated mechanisms and technologies at work is more and more a central part of our lives. Work more and more requires not just know-how but intelligence.

    Which is why a nation, in order to remain competitive, must train its people up to the post-secondary level as it does (badly) today for the secondary-level. That is, state postsecondary-schooling must be free, gratis and for nothing - meaning subsidized by both state and national governments. Above all, it must be a first-class education, and nowadays that is not the case.


    There is virtually no alternative to this predestined economic evolution unless a nation wants willingly its workforce to become more and more unemployed ...
     
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  8. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And in case you might be interested in how well the US is doing in educating its people, this might help:
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    (Right-click on the image to open it lisibly in a new tab ...)

    NB: Yes, the image is difficult to read. But the value for the US is about 50% of the population with a tertiary-education. Not bad, but could be much better were that postsecondary education free, gratis and for nothing!
     
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  9. Professor Peabody

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    What makes you think Sanders with three homes is for the people?
     
  10. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm a Yank who lives in Europe. I made that decision to cut the umbilical cord with Uncle Sam because I knew full well the advantages of living in Europe were worth it. In fact, we are estimated to be around 800,000 - maybe more, maybe less.

    That many cannot all be dead-wrong! And if I insist on describing those alternatives, it is because they are not that difficult to adopt. The US needs free (1) Tertiary-level Education and (2) much lower cost National Healthcare - as we have here in Europe!

    And one must be really-'n-truly ignorant not to understand the benefit of doing so. Still, even the best of notions are lost on cretins ...
     
  11. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And what in her behaviour leads you to think that above nonsense in italics ... ?
     
  12. JakeStarkey

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    What makes you think Trump is for the people?
     
  13. Professor Peabody

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    He's shown us.
     
  14. JakeStarkey

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    How has he shown us?
     
  15. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Learn how to copy the person to whom you are addressing your comment. Smartphoners don't know how to participate in Real Debate with their one-liner irrelevant responses ....
     
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  16. JakeStarkey

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    Why do you say that, LafayetteBis.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do I say what?

    You must learn to use the "quote function" ("+ Quote") when responding to a post - as I have just done above. Then - and ONLY then - will your correspondent understand what you mean once you are identified ...
     
  18. JakeStarkey

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    LafayetteBis, why do you say that. I must "do" nothing you say. :) You are one poster, nothing more. I can address whom I want politely in the way I want. Don't respond if you don't want to; I won't be offended. This Board is not run for your desired results.
     
  19. LafayetteBis

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    Then you go on Ignore.

    There is no sense discussing politics with anyone who wont exchange decently. I will NOT guess at who may be writing a rebuttal to any post I make here ...
     
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  20. JakeStarkey

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    Yes, thank you.
     
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    No. She couldn't even manage to land a campaign that was hers to lose; not taking for granted something so important as your support in Midwest swing states is a no-brainer compared to managing our unwieldly government. And despite the Russian trolls, and whatever her fans say about Sanders ( who DID campaign for her, even after a Primary that had been designed to work in Clinton's favor ), had she spent less time fundraising amongst the financial elites on the coasts, shoring up the support she needed to win was eminently doable. And, to this day, she puts the blame on anyone but herself.
    Of course, if I lived in anything close to a purple state, I would vote for her, and not feel good about it. I can only hope that all those declaring that Trump poses an existential threat to the idea of America, up till now, will not come up w/ Clintonesque excuses to not come out to vote if Sanders is the nominee.
     
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    The hds-afflicted right wingers are a hoot. I bet they look in their closets and under their beds at night.
     
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    I don’t. That’s why I have so many guns though, incase whatever is under there comes out.
     
  24. JakeStarkey

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    All who own guns (including me), be careful.

    Misuse them terribly and the government will give you a single chance to show you can dance on air.
     
  25. LafayetteBis

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    If Trump is (again) mistakenly elected, he'll have even less enthusiasm for governing. With the arrival of the Information Age, for which the US is uniquely unprepared, his election will be EXACTLY what the American-people need to wake them up. Another four years of drudgery, where nothing gets done to prepare America/Americans for an entirely different "age for which they are totally unprepared".

    The Information Age (which is upon us) is exactly that, it's all about the handling of "information" for those who want to earn more of salary than flipping hamburgers at Macdonalds. And for that ability, one needs a post-secondary degree - preferably one that does NOT COST an arm-and-a-leg. And that simply does not exist. The average cost of a post-secondary degree (4 years) is $14K a year.

    For those either below or somewhere around the Poverty Threshold (family of four, two incomes of $24K/year), they are well below America's Median Household Income of $64K a year. (And that depends upon the fact that both parents earn income, which is not the least bit certain.)

    So, why the hell should YOU care. For one thing, most incarcerated Americans are there because of theft. And if they had a decent job they probably would not be
    thieving. We are close to full-employment, and yet our prisons are full chock-a-block! What might the reason be?

    Try this answer on for "size" (from here):





     

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