Weather station in Antarctica records high of 65, the continent's hottest temperature ever

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  1. EarthSky

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    The Cornwall Alliance you linked is a batsh*t crazy religious creationist organization that thinks environmentalists are Satan:
    https://climateinvestigations.org/w...of-interest-test-in-science-bulletin-article/

    https://qz.com/888424/a-climate-den...others-supports-trumps-choice-to-run-the-epa/

    I could go on and on all day but why waste my time.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/...-climate-change-researcher-Wei-Hock-Soon.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...treet-journal-denies-global-warming-consensus

    https://www.bu.edu/ise/2018/11/13/the-scientific-consensus-on-climate-change/

    As for your claims about the consensus, again you lie:

    {quote]
    Abstract
    The consensus that humans are causing recent global warming is shared by 90%–100% of publishing climate scientists according to six independent studies by co-authors of this paper. Those results are consistent with the 97% consensus reported by Cook et al (Environ. Res. Lett. 8 024024) based on 11 944 abstracts of research papers, of which 4014 took a position on the cause of recent global warming. A survey of authors of those papers (N = 2412 papers) also supported a 97% consensus. Tol (2016 Environ. Res. Lett. 11 048001) comes to a different conclusion using results from surveys of non-experts such as economic geologists and a self-selected group of those who reject the consensus. We demonstrate that this outcome is not unexpected because the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science. At one point, Tol also reduces the apparent consensus by assuming that abstracts that do not explicitly state the cause of global warming ('no position') represent non-endorsement, an approach that if applied elsewhere would reject consensus on well-established theories such as plate tectonics. We examine the available studies and conclude that the finding of 97% consensus in published climate research is robust and consistent with other surveys of climate scientists and peer-reviewed studies.[/quote]

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

    https://www.desmogblog.com/christopher-monckton

    As for your lies about Naomi Oreskes, she is a distinguished professor of history at Harvard and every claim in Merchants of Doubt is thoroughly referenced as is Jane Mayer's Dark Money that both clearly document funding from organizations like the Koch's and Exxonmobile to think tanks like Heartland and Cato and the Marshall Institute and then to blogs like Anthony's where you get your lies from.

    As for your other BS claims, even Exxonmobile's own scientists knew decades ago that the thread from climate change is real:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

    Exxonmobile's scientists have come out and admitted it now but guys like you still won't believe them. That's because if you admit for a second that any real science on climate change is true all your lies start to fall apart.

    As to your lie that the consensus has been disproven, your fossil fuel industry shills moved the goal posts to fit their own narrative in order to try and mislead the public:
    So everything you cut and pasted in your post was a lie or a misrepresentation including all the graphs you posted which are either falsly misrepresented or taken out of context from the real data. And you try to besmirch the reputation of a qualified researcher like Oreskes with the lies of your fossil fuel industry shills and unqualified clown charletans like Christopher Monckton who has zero scientific background just like you.

    And you haven't answered any of the specific question I have asked or posted anything from a credible source other than cut and paste from Heartland Institute member Anthony Watt's denier blog and a crazed religious creationist group like Cornwall Alliance. You are simply here to spread the fossil fuel industry lies that even ExxonMobile's own scientists admit were lies.

    But keep the Horsecrap coming.You are not fooling anybody with your cut and paste WUWT BS though - at least no one who doesn't want to be fooled.

    I think you know you are spreading lies too just from the way you cut and paste with no attention to detail or context or accuracy. That is pretty gross but I guess once you start Bullsh*ting you just can't stop.
     
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    Cutting and pasting moronic cartoons, lies, strawmen and logical fallacies doesn't destroy anything but your credibility.

    The smileys after each sentence are actually kind of funny too - two faced much :roflol:?

    Don't ever get tired of your own dishonesty, I guess.
     
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    Anthony Watts may have to sue him for copywrite infringement, lol.

    I think the strategy is if he copy and pastes enough BS from Anthony's blog no-one will make the effort to call him out on the horsecrap.;-)
     
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    Weather is daily atmospherics, climate is the average of daily weather over at least a year. Did you read in the opening post that the past five years are the hottest on record? Or, that the last decade is the hottest ever recorded? That's climate--NOT just weather, & it's going to impact you & your offspring just as much as it affects those who you regard as crazy for wanting to fix it.
     
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    It was part of the first post, with citation. Reading is fundamental after all....
     
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    I don't think it is anything we have to worry about:
    https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/earth-losing-water-space
    https://sci.esa.int/web/venus-express/-/54068-7-water-loss

    Shoving tons otherwise sequestered CO2 from "93 dead dinosaurs" (it's a joke) out and developing nations getting richer, meaning those who rode bicycles getting scooters then cars, that's the problem.

    It's like Darfur ran out of villages to burn because of CHINESE oil. It's like the other day I flipped over to PBS and they had a show where this guy had some goats and one solar panel to charge his phone, and he was rich compared to others there, when he gets a car...
     
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    Weather station in Antarctica records high of 65, the continent's hottest temperature ever.

    Too bad I'm too old. I'm going to miss having some beach front property on the continent.
     
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    Probably should just post the picture of the Cambrian-Jurassic with a big arrow saying lets pull that sequestered stuff out and spew it all around and see what happens. Probably why those worried about half-lives wanted some kind of religion for nuclear waste disposal sites, because dinosaurs should have had one and put up scary monoliths of adamantine steel to warn us.
     
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    LOL Don't worry. I knew you couldn't combat the facts as usual :)
     
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    Dude, if you actually read the link you would have seen this:

    Please like, share on Facebook and Twitter, re-post, re-blog, and comment.

    But of course you and earthboy not only couldn't even read the material much less the permission to put the facts on the table and watch the flat earthers run yet again :)
     
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    Since you haven't been stupid enough to blame humans as the primary cause of climate change I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

    What your video ignores. There was a cooling period from 1940-1975 while CO2 produced by humans skyrocketed. A true evaluation would have included that. The 90% claim came with zero data to back it up. It also ignores the periods in earth's history where CO2 was far higher and we were in an ice age.

    1. Every ice-age began when CO2 was at or near peak levels, in other words, high CO2 levels were not enough to prevent ice ages.
    2. The current record high level of 400 parts per million(ppm) CO2, a full 33% above any previous level on the chart, has failed to carry temperatures to a record high.
    3. For any cause and effect relationship, the cause MUST lead the effect. CO2 does not lead Temperature, it follows it by 800 to 1,500 years.
    Just watch the first 6 minutes from the 32 minute park




    The dangers of being so myopic yb some scientists to only look at a a hundred years of history on a planet of 4 billion + years should be self evident. CO2 has in the past been far higher and the temperature far lower or it has lagged behind temperature 800 to 1000 years in some cases proving correlation not causation of climate change.

    1. The current CO2 level of 400 ppm is at the extreme low end of the past 600 million years. Plants and therefore most life will die if CO2 falls below 180ppm.
    2. CO2 has been as high at 7,000 ppm, or 17.5x today’s level and the earth has NEVER in 600 million years experienced catastrophic global warming, NEVER.
    3. The earth fell into an ice age when the CO2 level was at 4,000 ppm, or 10x the level of today.
    4. Modern reefs and sea life developed over the past 220 million years when CO2 and temperatures were much higher than today. Coral Reefs only exist in the warm parts of the oceans and rely on dissolved CO2 to form their CaCO3 shells.
    5. There is no defined mechanism by which CO2 can allow the globe to cool, the only defined mechanism it to trap outgoing radiation between 13 and 18 microns.
    6. Over the past 600 million years, CO2 and Temperature simply aren’t correlated, and regardless of the level of CO2, temperatures cap out around 22 Degrees C.
    7. CO2 caused ocean acidification is simply not a possibility due to the huge buffering capabilities of the ocean, once again, the coral reefs developed during periods of much higher CO2 levels.
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    Because the only way to share those facts is to copy and paste 20 pages of material from CO2islife.com.

    Clearly.
     
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    I understand to watch your flat earther science get devastated by reality is not easy to experience but science will always win out over flat earther dogma. :)
     
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    It's not at all the continents hottest temperature. Until 100 million years ago, Antarctica was tropical. Man didn't cause the global freeze that killed Antarctica and it can't cause the warming that may turn it tropical again. The planet has gone through billions of years of repeated warming and cooling. Man can't make it and can't stop it.
     
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    This proves that you, and anyone who likes this post or claims to agree with it, have no interest in truth, facts, or science. You have an agenda and no amount of truth or science will turn you from it. This is literally the most absurd lie I have ever read on any Internet forum in 23 years of participating in them.
     
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    I don't think anyone said CO2 is the only forcing factor.
    You don't specify when you see the lag in CO2 vs temperature, but I suspect it's during the solar cycles.
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    Spasmodically cutting and pasting from fossil fuel industry disinformation and denial sites isn't presenting facts. You've spent a whole lot of time throwing every denier meme you could find up here on the forum hoping something will stick but have been unable to provide any commentary or analysis for context or present a single actual fact that disproves human CO2 emissions as a cause for the current warming trend.

    You must have a lot of time to sit around wasting on this, my friend.:cool:

    I hope you are getting paid for doing this. I would hate to think you are spending all this time and effort spreading their lies for free.

    If it's a hobby with you or something, you should try something constructive like bird-watching or model airplanes.

    Climate science is not your strong suit:)
     
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    Yes your censorship of the facts is not surprising. The flat earthers have done well to make sure the truth doesn't get out here.

    And I've already proven my case. You cannot prove humans are the primary source of climate change despite your BS claims. The lies about CO2 being the cause of climate change were exposed with the history of this planet where CO2 levels did not correspond with actual temps and nothing you can say will change that fact. :)
     
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    Since my posts are being deleted despite direct permission from the website itself to repost it, here is the link for those who still have an open mind and don't want the truth censored by flat earth extremists who can't prove their case.

    From the actual CO2 levels to the history of the planet where CO2 has not adhered to temperatures to the history of 100% failure in predicting future temps and disasters. Its all there :)

    https://co2islife.wordpress.com/201...-scientific-talking-points-to-win-the-debate/
     
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    The word "Recorded" is discussed in the article and the OP, even if it is not mentioned in the title.

    But you should feel free to die on that hill if you feel like you must.
     
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    Ah yes, because "science" is definitely only to be found at CO2islife.com
     
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    Your posts are being deleted because PF.com has its own set of rules. You are not allowed to copy entire websites and post them here because it potentially subjects PF to lawsuits through violations of Fair Use.

    But now, I encourage, daresay I encourage you, to find the quote from CO2islife.com that explains the current warming trend. You can not because it is not there.
     
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    Is it really? China and India are both proponents and participants to the Paris Climate Accord. The ONLY country which is not a signatory and participant is the United States.

    The reason is because the US is led by a guy who still thinks climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese.
     
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    Which was never violated since the website itself encourages reposting of the information as I proved with the very statement from the website.

    But of course the flat earthers don't want the facts out there so it was deleted.

    Can't say it surprised me a bit you would do everything you could to keep this information from being posted in here since it destroyed your flat earther theory.
     
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    You are never going to convince PF mods to make an exception to that rule simply because the website you are copying has a disclaimer that encourages people to share its information.

    But now that you've proven an ability to copy and paste 20 pages from that website, perhaps you can go back and find the quote or segment that actually explains the cause of the current warming event. We all know that you can't because it isn't there. We also know that you can't because you intentionally altered my post where I made this request of you already.
     
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