Hezbollah - American Forces Surrounded In Iraq

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  1. Rugglestx

    Rugglestx Well-Known Member

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    Why is it that conspiracy people think they are the only one intelligent enough to know "what the truth is"?

    Flat Earth fools use this all the time to try and spread their silliness.
     
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    Let's call this the POOHBEAR RULE.
    "There is less threat from a Liberal Democratic nuclear nation because this
    nation is more likely to use nukes against an enemy of the Liberal Democratic
    tradition."

    meaning, you should be on the side of this power.
    Israel, France and England are not likely to nuke another liberal democratic
    nation - and less likely to use nukes in any war.

    A nation such as Iran, North Korea, China and Russia are just as likely to use
    nukes against other dictatorships as they are against liberal democracies -
    and without citizen oversight, more likely to use nukes.

    So Russia and China can have their military parades to support their illegal
    shenanigans in Ukraine and the South China Sea.
     
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    Israel took out the Iraq nuclear program in 1981.
    The world might be a different place today had
    they not done so.
    I think we need to get over this phobia about
    nukes. They WILL be used, by nation states and
    terrorist groups. And used frequently.
    Only 2% of all the wartime damage done to Japan
    by Imperial America was caused by nukes.
     
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    I don't see China or Russia using nukes anytime soon.

    That short ugly funny haircut looking stodge in NK, he might. But I think he likes being king of that carp whole so why risk it?

    Biggest threat of a nuke is use is a rouge group, not a nation.

    Now who is most likely to supply, oh I don't know....let's say a radical Islamic terror group with a nuke?

    Bet it starts with a "I" and has 4 letters in it's name.

    But Israel won't let them have one, this we already know.
     
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    The Left would handle Kuwait like they handle Tibet, the South China "islands"
    the war in Yemen, liberation of Ukraine, Bosnia, the Ethiopian/Eritrean war etc..
    And like they also handled the 1975 invasion of South Vietnam, Cambodia and
    Laos.
     
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    Those atomic weapons used by America saved untold lives on both sides as opposed to a invasion of the home islands.

    Imagine Okinawa 20 fold if not more. Horrific thought.
     
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    I recall there was an army of 3 or 4 million Japanese home-base
    soldiers. Plus every man, woman and child would be a part of the
    house to house fight for Japan.
    It cost two million lives to take Berlin. The estimate was the same
    for Japan - but I think it would have been much worse.
     
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    Why total submission? Japan wanted to sign a peace treaty and we refused.
     
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    Unconditional surrender. That was the only acceptable outcome of the war after Peral Harbor.

    They never offered that.

    The A Bombs saved lives, on both sides.
     
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    Anybody who wants to know what the invasion of the Japanese home islands would have been like can study the invasion of Okinawa and the bloodshed there. It would have been 20 times worse.

    1945, Japanese civilians training to attack U.S. forces as they stormed the beaches of the home islands. With bamboo spears. Imagine the bloodshed.
    [​IMG]

    Not one allied life was worth that if there were other alternatives. That is reason enough to have dropped the A Bombs. The Japanese lives lost in those bombing paled in comparison to the number that would have died in the attacks leading up to and the invasion itself.
     
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    So do Russians, Chinese and Palestinians ...
     
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    Arabs are killing Arabs.
     
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    Where do you believe there still is a 'liberal democratic' system?
    A good citizen, one who values democracy is critical of their government. That is needed to keep the Government in check and the system democratic. Autocratic minded people demand what people should think.
    Israel threatened to use nukes in 72. The US is the only country in the world who ever has used them and now has tactical nukes which people are suggesting it may use on Iran. I think the US and Israel are possibly the most dangerous countries as far as nukes are concerned.
     
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    :aww:

    What is the relevance of that? What is the point? What is the lesson to be learned from it?

    The POOHBEAR RULE lends no indication of that. They are words without substance. You are assuming the U.S. is the good guy but there has been very little proof of it since the end of WW II. The U.S. has actually been the bad guy. True, there have been much worse guys but a few of them are today much better guys than the U.S.


    Maybe.

    Whatever the consequences of those nations possessing nukes it is irrelevant to their justifiable need to own them.


    You don't really want to digress over debatable “shenanigans” do you? The point I made (the original point) is that those nations do not bend to the whims of the U.S. That is what NATO states do, not Russia or China. Do you understand what I am saying to you?

    Nuke-owning nations that you do not approve of have no choice in the mater. They MUST own nuclear weapons. SURVIVAL trumps "The Poobear Rule" all over the world.
     
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    There are very few Zionist-advocating Arabs so maybe you should be clearer.
     
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    Only insane people do not respect nukes. The entire reason for them always was mutually assured destruction. They are not for use unless you want to die. We however live in an insane world where the richest country on this planet is determined to destroy the world with climate change and the President of said country has even questioned whether nukes might stop climate change.
     
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    You can never force democracy on tribal people. They are loyal to their local war lord or religious leader and don't play well with nation states. Countries like that often need a strong man to keep the various sides from constantly killing each other.
     
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    Yes, China is the number one poisoner of the planet, but it's not the richest.
    Nukes as in nuclear power COULD slow climate change - but the greenies killed
    off the tech in the West.
     
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    You know I was speaking of the US. I am not going to start on the rest of your mumbo jumbo.
     
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    No you can't, boots on the ground are the only way.
     
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    To try to bolster a democratic regime and make sure all the sacrifices have not been in vain. Hezbollah are pretty much full of it they're always saying nonsense like this.
     
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    Shia kill Sunni, Sunni kill Shia, Assad kills every one .. the Arab mass murder party keeps on ..
     
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    White Supremacists talk like that as well. They complain about 'whites' killing 'whites' thinking that everything is about 'race' or 'ethnicity'.
     
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    They are just loud mouth chest beating terrorist.
     
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    You seem to want to tie Gulf 1 to Bushies war. Let each stand on it's own.
     
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    Because they were related.

    Saddam invades Kuwait
    Saddam gets beat down
    Saddam stays in power, signs ceasefire


    Saddam violates ceasefire repeatedly
    Saddam is taken out of power


    Related.
     

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