The Berniephobes are wrong

Universal Healthcare captures 25% of the economy. Wait til you Socialists decide to weaponize Healthcare like you did with the FBI and illegal Fisa Warrants.

 

The USA is not "every other Democracy" in the world. We are better than that. Of course you wouldn't think so.

 

They wait in long lines for healthcare. They have not become communist yet but they are a helluva lot closer than we are!

 

Communism and capitalism are simply economic models.

It's the political methods and results, BOTH in the 'communist' USSR - with its totalitarian denial of special reward for distinct effort; AND currently in the 'capitalist' US, with its denial of universal above poverty participation (even though everyone has something to contribute, and the US is wealthy enough to provide above poverty participation)

And currently in the US:

https://www.advisorperspectives.com...6/u-s-household-incomes-a-50-year-perspective


See how the 'mean income' has barely moved, in real terms (ie after inflation) in the last 5 decades, for the bottom three quintiles (the bottom 60% of the population). [A quintile is 20%].

Which explains why the bottom 60% of Americans can't find $1000 from savings in an emergency (google)

No wonder Bernie is gaining powerful grassroots support.

Bernie in the modern US can create an economy that works for all, with no-one living in poverty, and with reward for effort in place.

Your reference to Nazism, in the context of this thread, is as despicable (although likely just ideologically blind) as those fools on MSNBC

https://deadline.com/2020/02/msnbc-...ders-nazi-germany-invasion-france-1202866277/

"Chris Matthews Slammed For Comparing Bernie Sanders Win To Nazi Invasion Of France"

Bernie is a Jew with relatives who perished in the Holocaust....

 

Democracy and Capitalism did coexist for a short time after WW2 while Governments kept a check on Capitalism in particular Monopolies. Democracy and Capitalism do not easily coexist. Capitalism is not democratic. Governments have to make sure that Capitalists and Corporations do not become so powerful that Government must answer to them not the people. Clearly if Governments are answering to them not the people then we no longer have democracy. That is the situation which we are in now. That is the situation we were in prior to WW2. Like then we now find ourselves in a situation where we will either move towards Corporate fascism as the US is now or to a modern day form of Democratic socialism or social democracy as the US would with Sanders.

 

Your graph is by no means a justification to confiscate property from hardworking Americans for redistribution as an elite sees fit. For you to twist my comparison of Nazi Germany into something racist is far beyond the pail. I don't see Bernie as a "practicing Jew". Quite the contrary. He, like many would sell his people into slavery. He is more comparable to Harvey Weinstein. If Americans can't find $1000 in savings for emergency....who is to blame? So you take from those who wisely saved and held back from other desires so they could be "responsible"? Socialism is merely government control over the economy aka "The people".

 

Universal HC is merely an attempt for redistribution. It actually does that and captures 1 fourth of the economy.....good start for an avowed leftist.
They aren't free. They were conned into thinking Healthcare is free while government robs them blind.

 

Hmmmm
Funny, I don’t see all the other free democracies in the entire world becoming communist butt boys of Putin. It seems like the go it alone philosophy isn’t shared by the majority of communist republicans either who want universal healthcare, I still haven’t heard an answer as to why the rest if the world isn’t labeled as communist ?

 

So, all the people in every country that has universal healthcare are powerless ? Where is the flood of Canadians trying to come to America to save them from the loss of rights from their universal healthcare.

 

Much to their shame.

 

Now that's a brilliant retort by Shapiro.

 

This is because the cream at the top always gets more than the impurities at the bottom. It's reality. Like Football, the winners win, the losers lose, and the whiners btch about how unfair all of it is.

Not to mention, no one has ever explained how getting the government's gun to rob your neighbors of their just earnings is moral, but you using your own gun to do the same is immoral. Something wrong somewhere.

Ayn Rand: "For centuries, the battle of morality was fought between those who claimed that your life belongs to God and those who claimed that it belongs to your neighbors—between those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of ghosts in heaven and those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of incompetents on earth. And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it."

The Republicans, the Democrats, the money-grubbing selfish bastard pig capitalists (Ayn Rand).

 

8 people having as much wealth as half of the world is abuse. Those 8 people then have all the power. It is similar to the old aristocracy system, hence why many political theorists now believe we are entering a new kind of feudalism. You enjoy keeping on sucking up to them. This is how Capitalism system works - basically theft. The US of the future will be many serfs and that is well on now. However given that this system has no possibility of offering a decent standard of living which would allow a strong middle class, it is going to die. Either it dies when those who love it and the Corporate Giants who are taking everything for themselves and who our Governments answer to, will support its rise into fascism. Others will go for a form of Government which respects all people and gives everyone a chance. People who have values, who respect the potential of us all. This sort of way will do everything it can to save the planet from the harm those billionaires you support, consciously destroyed, paying scientists to pretend it was not so. I never understood why some people love being poodles, having other people above them who demand from them and take everything. Never will but I guess for some it is too difficult to take responsibility. They need a master.

 

Yes, you are correct. Lenin and Stalin were professional revolutionaries and profoundly undemocratic. The first thing they did in power was disband the workers councils and the Petrograd Soviet. And their paranoia and distrust of any opposition was fueled by the reactionary opposition and direct intervention of foreign attacks from the west during the civil war and also by what happened when the Paris commune was crushed by the government army. They that the west would never allow a competing economic system to exist and that to a large extent fueled the Bolshevik grab for absolute power.

This had nothing to do with workers taking control over their own productivity and means of that productivity as envisioned by Hegel, Marx, Bakunin, Proudhon or any of the other early socialist philosophers.

"True democratic socialism" exists all over the world from northern Europe to Canada to parts of Latin America and where it has not been viciously attacked by western interests such as in places like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba, Laos, Cambodia etc., etc., etc., it has often had good success in land reform, bringing people out of poverty and yes, providing universal health care, land reform and educational outcomes.

And this does not include the "State Capitalist" states such as Russia which managed to beat back the Nazi death machine losing 27 million people in the process or China whose mixed economy brought 800,000 million people out of abject poverty.

Even places like Venezuela were having some success even though their energy industries were badly managed until western corporate interests attacked with covert actions and sanctions - which is the standard reaction to western corporate interests to any country that does not bend to western exploitation and open up their resources and monetary system to plunder while at the same time crushing the popular will of the working and peasant classes in those countries.

 

Good news. Everyone has time to stock up on food I guess.

 

Aren’t all democrats, socialists ?
Aren’t at least half the republicans, socialists ?

 

Interesting stats. Within a year, we'd ALL be poor... a socialist dream come true.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Q How much money would everyone have if it was divided equally?

A According to research done by Credit-Suisse, this number stands at ~$250 trillion today, which is distributed like this: Therefore, assuming the population of the world to be around 7.4 billion, if all the wealth were to be distributed equally, each one of us would be worth $34,000.

 

Yes but once we have taken your daughters and made them work in the rice patties for free, taken your guns and melted them into ingots and sent them to Cuba and relocated all the Trumpers to the gulags for reeducation, there would be more left for the rest of us.

The devil is in the details.

 

My graph shows that the present system is immoral, leading to spiralling inequality, while the bottom 20% are languishing in entrenched poverty (and 3 americans hold as much wealth as the bottom 50%).

Nothing to do with race, but everything to do with politics: comparing "Bernie's success with Nazi takeover"....

Now you are revealing your ideology for all to see. Unless Bernie fits your view of how Jews should be, he is evil...talk about beyond the pail.

Only in your ideologically-addled brain.

More than half the population? Your particular brand of capitalism, obviously.

More indication of an ideologically-addled brain. I will repeat the post from EarthSky (#264).

Maybe you can bother to read it this time, so you can stop reacting to the word 'socialism' like one of Pavlov's dogs.

As for socialism: Yes, you are correct. Lenin and Stalin were professional revolutionaries and profoundly undemocratic. The first thing they did in power was disband the workers councils and the Petrograd Soviet. And their paranoia and distrust of any opposition was fueled by the reactionary opposition and direct intervention of foreign attacks from the west during the civil war and also by what happened when the Paris commune was crushed by the government army. They that the west would never allow a competing economic system to exist and that to a large extent fueled the Bolshevik grab for absolute power.

This had nothing to do with workers taking control over their own productivity and means of that productivity as envisioned by Hegel, Marx, Bakunin, Proudhon or any of the other early socialist philosophers.

"True democratic socialism" exists all over the world from northern Europe to Canada to parts of Latin America and where it has not been viciously attacked by western interests such as in places like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba, Laos, Cambodia etc., etc., etc., it has often had good success in land reform, bringing people out of poverty and yes, providing universal health care, land reform and educational outcomes.

And this does not include the "State Capitalist" states such as Russia which managed to beat back the Nazi death machine losing 27 million people in the process or China whose mixed economy brought 800,000 million people out of abject poverty.

Even places like Venezuela were having some success even though their energy industries were badly managed until western corporate interests attacked with covert actions and sanctions - which is the standard reaction to western corporate interests to any country that does not bend to western exploitation and open up their resources and monetary system to plunder while at the same time crushing the popular will of the working and peasant classes in those countries.

 

Because they prefer to be called "social democracies". Sounds to me you are one of those go along to get along type of fellas. You always want to go with the crowd. Doesn't surprise me at all. It is a characteristic of Democrats and collectivists. The :crowd" and Hollywood doesn't always get it right. Many feign to go along with the crowd, but they really aren't that shallow. You'll find out in November 2020.

 

Please e-mail those details to me. I'd really like to have them ASAP. I know about some acres for a really good price

 

The right wants to call Bernie a commie. Does that mean Canada is a commie country ? Still no answer.

 

They just come here for their medical care.

 

Sounds to me like your sold on Marxism.

 

Canada is on it's way and many are not happy about it.