Far-Right backing for German politician shocks Germany

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  1. notme

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    You really do not know crap. The European continent was a cesspool of tribal warfare and slavery as well back in the days of 1000 AD. And there was nothing much special about Charlemagne. The Moors from Africa occupied Spain during them days. He is nothing compared to the wealth of Mansa Musa I from Africa. Highly probably the richest man on the world that ever lived.
     
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    Although Musa didn't really come along until the early 14th-century, he was a beneficiary of the very advanced, highly-educated Islamic culture and erudite traditions of his day. His access was no doubt enhanced by his own Muslim beliefs (which took him to Mecca), and the fortunate position of what we today call Mali -- well to the north of the primitive areas I'd mentioned earlier in "Stone Age" Sub-Saharan Black Africa.

    But if your sole criterion for greatness is 'wealth', you may also wish to consider the Chinese Emperors, the rulers of Mohenjodaro and Harrapa in ancient India, Xerxes I of Persia, and, of course, the Roman Emperors (especially after the ruination of Carthage).

    Anyway, back on topic, there is obviously an increase in support for right-wing movements in Germany today, and if the Left, the Greens, and the other "gut-Menschen" are dismayed about that, they really only have themselves to blame for it. It was incessant carping and bitching in favor of even MORE in-migration from the Middle East and Africa that made it so easy for Kanzlerin Merkel to just "go-along-to-get-along" and let other countries bully Germany into this insanity, by bringing up the old, worn-out memes of "Nazi-guilt".

    [​IMG]. "Hey! We've all been DEAD for 75 years! How dangerous do you think we still are...?!"
     
  3. notme

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    He was as black as could be. And he took his wealth TO Mecca and to get scholars for his country, not the other way around. Don't be jelly now. So much for your... there was no civilization in Africa. That's just disguised racist nonsense.

    It's not the sole criteria. It's well known that his travels to Mecca, with his 10.000's of followers were all finely dressed etc. as a show of having a superior culture besides being Muslim.

    Nope. Right wingers are the fault of right wingers. When some nutjob in Germany kills a bunch of brown Muslims because of that white genocide believe, as what happened last week. Than the blame lies on those right wingers, and not the left. This is obviously so. No question about it. Just insane to put this kind of blame on the left. Utterly insane.

    This wasn't about being for immigration for those who seek jobs or ling on the dole.
    This was being against sending refugees back to be executed.
    Just stupid you right wingers fail to know the difference and keep on ranting this alternative reality.
    Very dishonest.
     
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    No not quiet. Africa had Empires rivaling the Egyptians
    What I always find interesting is the so called dark ages. Christian society was a serious mess, backwards, going backwards, loosing every thing what had been know over centuries, in a crazy religious dictator ship.
    At that time the muslim countries were the leaders, science, medicine and architecture. Luckily at that time they were more tolerant and respected Christians as people of the book, naturally second class people. But they preserved and encouraged at that time science, medicine, research and architecture.
    It ended at the walls of Vienna, that defeat broke that cultures back and it slowly slid into the dark ages, which we experience today.
    Christianity, the countries of it, exploded after the 30 year war. Once that was settled Christian countries truly left the dark ages.
    But that was in the late 1600.
     
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    Life is rather good in Germany. The wealth of that country is rather mind boggling.
    Merkel, may I remind you, did not let the refugees in. It was the Eastern European countries. They than funneled them into Germany.
    Germany is a member of Schengen and the EU. There are open borders with Schengen Countries and EU countries.
    Schengen and EU are two different contracts. You can be a member of the EU and not a member of Schengen, like the UK.

    Merkel did the right thing, instead of driving the refugees back to Eastern Europe, including Austria, she showed that Germany has a big heart.
    Germany took care of those people and I as a German am proud of it. It actually turned out into quiet a success story, Merkel's Wir schaffen das, We can do that. Nearly 50% of those refugees have found qualified jobs, they fill the apprentice ship system, Gesellen, like me.
    Some will make Master, like me.
    I dislike like you the PC crowd, we are all pigs, but some pigs are just better. That is a fact. I have pigs on my farm and for me as a farmer they are part of the family, even that I eat them.
    Just because they come from Africa, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan it does not make them less quality people.
    Actually they are as you and me, just different.
    Spice
     
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    If you don't want the far right to gain traction then stop giving ordinary people reason to abandon the consensus.

    Look at Greece. When pushed to it people flock to the extremes of the political spectrum because anything is better than the status quo.
     
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    Yes, the right wing Conservative party did win the election because once again refugees were blamed for their financial problems. The voters refused to see that their problems was actually due to the massive spending on public services leading to a huge loan from the EU just to keep them going. However, the far right Golden Dawn party were heavily defeated
     
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    Apparently the AfD got just enough votes to stay in the parliament, 5.3%. The FDP might not make it.
     
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    Certainly, if the histories I've read were correct, you are absolutely right! After the fall of the Roman Empire, Islam became the repository of education, accumulated knowledge, and the technologies of the day. Mathematics, science, architecture, medicine, commerce, literature, music, poetry, and the science of warfighting -- these were all developed and practiced in Muslim countries to a far greater level of magnitude and sophistication than anywhere else outside of China and parts of India. I have never forgotten that "algebra" itself is derived from the Arabic word الجبر al-jabr, from about the year 830 A. D. -- over 300 years after the final fall of Rome!

    Incidentally, if you are a farmer in Germany, I have especially high respect and admiration for you. I know that farmers in Germany have had to contend with extraordinarily difficult situations because of heat, wind, drought, and even, too much rain at times. Every farmer must deal with these elements of Nature, but it seems that for several years you in Germany have had many more such difficulties than was ever considered "normal". You who FEED your country are to be held in special esteem. And, as all the political bickering, yelling, and unhappiness continues in government, I am reminded of an old German saying from the Weimar Republic days -- "Erst das Fressen, dann die Miete!" ("First EATING, then the rent!" -- the 'rest of it', usw., etc.) :salute:
     
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    I am a dry-land Farmer in the US, South West Colorado and we have a 20 year drought in this corner of the US and no end of the drought in sight.

    I would say Islam was more a preserver of the knowledge, during the dark ages. It kept the knowledge of the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and so on alive and nurtured it. Its trade with Asia provided new knowledge.
    I call it fertilizer. But the real explosion happened after the reformation.
    Now Islam is in the dark ages and desperately needs a reformation.
     
  12. Pollycy

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    Somehow I got the idea that you were German! Ah, well... my first mistake of the day....

    I'm a "Front-Ranger" over here in the Denver-Colorado Springs corridor. If you're a farmer in SW Colorado, you have suffered from drought greatly, and we have, too, over here to the east. This year we are actually having a "normal" winter, though, complete with a pretty good amount of snow -- just like we used to before the monstrous drought.

    Anyway, back on topic. I have a number of very good friends in Germany, and they tell me that life is quite good, prices are low, and nobody is really getting 'screwed' at this point. They worry about the lasting effects of Brexit a lot more than they do about the AfD, and that's for sure!

    Think about it... even if it began to look like the AfD, or any so-called "right-wing" group was about to take over real power from the entrenched, EU-'friendly', mainline parties, the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV), the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), and the Bundesamt für den Militärischen Abschirmdienst (MAD) would step in and 'shut 'em down'....
     
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    I am a German, I just live and work in the beautiful State of Colorado.
    Our Winter has been soso. A rather strange mix of extreme cold, mild and snowy and even rain like last weekend. The winter before was a monster. I measured 5 feet 9 inches on the ground, March 29th. But than no moisture till November. The drought and the fires have made live rather interesting.

    The AfD is far from taking over. At the present it hangs around 9% Nation wide. It really has to be careful with its Hoecke Wing in Thueringen.
    They are skiding along the red line and are observed by the Verfassungsschutz.

    Yes, Brexit, Corona are more serious problems, both will effect the economy.
    The AfD is more seen as disruptive, especially when the two old Parties are struggling with leadership problems
     
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    Incorrect, regards mostly the elderly voting for brexit.... Secondly Scotland turned down independents not so long ago in a referendum & that's still a conversation, The decision to leave the EU was made the night it happened, It took 4 years for sore losers who were holding up the righteousness of democracy to be put down to allow the will of the people
     
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    Yea different.... so different that when they become the numeric majority in any country, they institute Sharia law. It is nice that you can preen about moral superiority in allowing your ancient and storied culture to be supplanted by an alien, openly hostile bronze age culture in the space of decades. I wonder how your great grandkids will feel in year 2100 when they are a minority in their own country. You guys are setting up for a bloodbath of unprecedented proportions.
     
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    Nazi is a reference to any racial or ethnic 'supremacist' and may or may not include cultural supremacism as well. If it does, then it would include most of the Western world and parts of the Far East. People just love themselves, don't they?
     
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    I disagree! Moscow was the primary target. To Hitler, Britain was the perfect partner for Germany, but somehow it wasn't to London's liking. Hitler's raison d'etre was the destruction of communism and internationalism since it was the antithesis of his supremacist nationalist beliefs and the USSR was the embodiment of it. Stalin knew this, that's why he started building up his military.

    When a communist killed the composer of the Nazi Lied, it was used to arouse and unite the Germans against them. As for the Jews, he hated them for being internationalists and prevalent in the communist movement in Russia and in Europe.

    Hitler saw the Slavs and Russians as untermenchen, and wanted to push them to the Urals so he could take the rich black earth of Ukraine and Russia to feed Germany's large population - a problem Churchill decided to remedy later on with firebombs.
     
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    No no no no!!!! This is what I am talking about. Moscow was to be taken after AGN secured Leningrad and AGS secured Kiev. It is right there in the planning. This is well known. This was a huge mistake on Hitler's part. As Guderian and Manstein and others noted, Moscow should have been the primary target but was not. In my opinion the order should have been Moscow, Leningrad, then the Caucasus while bombing industrial targets in the Urals. Moscow was the nerve center of the Soviets, but Hitler dismissed its importance and believed it to third to the Spiritual Center of Bolshevism Leningrad and the Industrial center in the South. This failure along with failure to mobilize all engineers to deal with the transportation issues was key.
     
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    The dark ages were dark because of a massive eruption in 536, probably Krakatoa and people were going hungry. This is what started the invasions and the break down of the Western Roman Empire.

    The Christian Eastern Empire in Constantinople and the Near and Middle East thrived and survived for a thousand years and they were so highly educated that even though the official language was Latin, they wrote and spoke in Classical Greek (The Greek of Socrates, Aristotle and Plato), instead of the commonly used Demotic Greek. It was these Greek teachers that brought the classics to France and the Italian states in the Middle Ages and started the Renaissance, in the same way their ancestors brought the classics to Rome a 1,200 years before.


    According to the historian Durant when Constantinople fell to the Turks, even though its population had dwindled to a mere 40 thousand, they had more educated people, more libraries and more universities than all of Western Europe.

    The Arabs invaded and took over the Greek Byzantine world (Eastern Roman Empire), and even though at first they destroyed the library in the Greek city of Alexandria, they did manage after years, probably through the conversions of some educated Greeks in Alexandria, to acquire much of the learnings of the Greco/Roman world. To their credit and unlike the Turks, the Arabs did respect it and added to it.
     
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    Here's something interesting about Moscow. The Soviets had completely camouflage the Kremlin so that no matter how many times they bombed, there was no damage.

    "...All the Kremlin towers were re-painted using different colors and covered with wooden tents. Every roof inside the Kremlin was painted rusty brown so as to make them indistinguishable from typical Moscow roofs. The Kremlin grounds, paved with cobblestone, were covered up with sand. Tents painted to look like roofs were stretched over the Kremlin gardens, with facades of the buildings also painted to confuse the German pilots.

    The ingenious plan was concocted by Boris Iofan, the most prominent and prosperous Soviet architect of the time..."

     
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    Even those that hit could not penetrate. Very fascinating.

    People today cannot fathom how critical December 41 was. Had Moscow fallen earlier Britain might have had to come to the table. Maybe Pearl is pushed back. Maybe Hitler doesn't declare war on the U.S even had Pearl occured Dec 7. On Dec 5 the Russians launch the counter, Dec 7 Pearl, December 11 Germany declares war on the US.
     
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    Total puppycock

    The elderly voted for Brexit in far higher numbers to leave
    Nearly three quarters (73%) of 18 to 24 year-olds voted to remain, falling to under two thirds (62%) among 25-34s. A majority of those aged over 45 voted to leave, rising to 60% of those aged 65 or over.
    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/

    And last time I checked, Scotland voted to remain in the EU in all of it's districts and Boris is refusing a new referendum.

    And it took 4 years, because the politicians could not agree on how to leave.
    Total incompetence.
     

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