Sanders Wants New NATO with Russia

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  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, Russia does have potential...enough to team up with China and dominate the globe. We are best to establish good relations with them through diplomacy.

    They aren't as puny as we are led to believe.

    Russia has an upper-middle income[200] mixed economy with enormous natural resources, particularly oil and natural gas. It has the 11th largest economy in the world by nominal GDP and the 6th largest by purchasing power parity (PPP). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Economy
     
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    Source?
     
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  4. The Mello Guy

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    I just did...he was working with the prior conditions set forth, by Italy....read the section about Russia.

    Mine you Trump never suggested they fully join just yet, at that point it was just invite them to the table.
     
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    So Italy has conditions, not trump
     
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    Trump concurred with theirs. So did the other nations
     
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    Source?
     
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    I've already provided it. I can't force you to read it....
     
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    No and apparently you can’t quote trump either lol
     
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    I provided the sources.

    more importantly what sanders wants to do is kill NATO and rejoin a military treaty with Russia. All trump suggested was sitting down with russia, what the majority of our allies on the G7 were requesting.
     
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    If you think Bernie's statement there is "cozying up to the Russians", it's a safe bet English is not your strong point.
     
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    We need to heed George Washington and end all these long term entanglements. Russia had its interests and every right to pursue them. As do we and every other nation. We don't need world policing we need common sense policies to pursue our
    Interests and short term agreements to avoid conflicts. We don't need never ending treaties that put us at the mercy of others, like NATO...
     
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    Let me translate that for you all..

    America is the bad guy and is the cause of Islamic terrorism, therefore we need an organization to take American money and give it to terrorists so they will stop being terrorists. .
     
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    Sure get them to get rid of their corrupt dictators and give their people their liberty and freedom and stop invading other countries to put them under their domicile and we can live in peace and harmony. It's not us who has to change their ways.
     
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    RRIIGHHTT.

    And they were doing this since when, November of 2016?

    Fer Chrissake, they wouldn't have even been able to set up all the phone calls that would entail in that short an amount of time.

    Or, wait, I know, it was the Time Traveling Kenyan Witch Doctors again. You know, the ones who doctored Obama's birth certificate and then slipped in into the Hawaiian files back in 1961 before anybody even guessed this insignificant child would ever be President.
     
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    After the breakup of the USSR Russia wanted to join nato . But we needed an enemy so our elites could keep income rolling in from the military industrial complex.

    We need and demand that russia be a threat to western Europe

    Now trump campaigned on trying to get better relations with Russia for we had common interests and working with them would be better and might lessen tensions between 2 nuclear powers. The intelligent position.

    But this was used by neocons and dems against trump as evidence putin owned trump and they conspired together to beat hillary .

    This will be used against sanders when the time comes. Bet? Lol
     
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    Is any of that supposed to be responsive to something from my post?
     
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    The reality is, Russia *exists*. We can't run and hide from everything Russian, just because of our problems with them. And we can't make those problems bigger then what they really are. Unless we suggest to nuke them or something. We've got to be pragmatic and real about this, though I know pragmatism has been difficult to come by.

    Obama had the right position on this(as well as other antagonistic countries): Work where we can, disagree where we disagree and stand for our values while not letting opportunities to cooperate go to waste.
     
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    You kind of hit the nail on the head there.

    Bringing russia closer to the west would definatly make the world a safer place regardless but there is one major obstacle and it isnt Russia but its your weapon industry. You need a big bad villain to fear so they can keep spending your money on bombs and all sorts of fancy weapons. None of them will ever be used since you dont need that crap to bomb terrorists in the desert and its unlikely that you wil attack somebody who can actually shoot back with advanced weapons

    And lets be honest here. Russians may be bullies and annoyng (and the woman beautiful) but they also have a keen sence of self preservation and love money.

    So if there is ever a war the west vs russia it wont be because russia wanted it but more likely that the us needed it.

    On a sidenote more trade with russia is probably the best way to keep russia calm and down eitherway. Give them prosperity and putin wil have a harder time staying in power over time. Give them sanctions and you unify them against you essentially.
    So i would welcome a end to the sanctions to the general population even if they keep some against its leaders.
     
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    Demonstrate this to be true.
     
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    All of it. But that's fine, even you can't see how your conspiracies are supposed to make sense
     
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    Did you see that pissoff Politico Article? The Europeans had the nerve to complain and they think we should care. They're lucky I wasn't one of the diplomats there, or the President, I would've ripped them an earfold.

    Our responsibility is first and foremost what's good for this country, not what happens on that side of the Channel.
     
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    Agree but I will ad that after having been to the boogie man Russian Federation several times (have visa), I know for a fact that Russia is very westernized....and in the grand scheme of things, coming from a failed state 3 decades ago to a very capitalistic society....it is quite amazing. Russians like capitalism and Putin has been the guiding force behind ushering it in. The quality of life has vastly improved in a short amount of time and that is the reason Putin keeps getting re-elected. If Putin was like Bernie, they'd throw his ass out in no time.

    Other than the slight cultural differences, Russians are more like Americans than a lot of Democrats. Those people are proud, patriotic, and they haven't been totally infected with PC liberalism. A lot of women outwardly detest feminism.....they prefer traditional gender roles and family.
     
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