Sanders Defends Castro's Socialist Cuba

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  1. AFM

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    Yes. Incomes are more equal and much lower.
     
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    Florida had a school program under Gov'r JEB! called "No Child Left Behind." It was scrapped when it turned into "No Child Gets Ahead."

    We're are only equal under the law, but not in our abilities. The left wants to put all of the round pegs into the square hole regardless of their shape. It's never worked well before, and bernie's I-have-no-clue-about-economics won't work either.
     
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    Socialism, and left wing policies in general aren't about making the poor, richer...it's about making the rich, poorer. While the folks at the top of Govt, the ruling class, get rich.
     
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    Believing that earned wages & wealth are the property of gov't for redistribution certainly is, though.
     
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    yep....not surprised to see the DNC frontrunner an open socialist....it was bound to happen, Obama was socialist light...."you didn't build that...."
     
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    Socialist heavy: "On Soviet gulags: “There’s a reason Joseph Stalin had gulags, right? And actually, gulags were a lot better than what the CIA has told us that they were. Like, people were actually paid a living wage in gulags, they had conjugal visits in gulags, gulags were actually meant for like re-education.”"
    THE DAILY WIRE, BREAKING: Bernie Staffer: Kill Political Opponents, Burn People In Streets, Cops To Be ‘Beaten’ If Bernie Loses, By Ryan Saavedra, JANUARY 14TH, 2020.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/brea...-in-streets-cops-to-be-beaten-if-bernie-loses
     
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    Our political Left don't like being reminded of such things. That's why they almost never do any real vetting of their presidential hopefuls.
     
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    A few years back I watched a documentary about an exiled Cuban woman whose parents left Cuba right after the revolution. All her life she heard about how horrible Castro was and that he destroyed Cuba. When it was possible for these exiles to apply to visit Cuba, she went to Havana to look up her old house and haunts. Her father was a doctor and quite well off. She had been a teen ager when they left Havana for Miami. So she finds her old house which was then a community center. She remembered living there as a child with servants and a beautiful garden, antiques and rugs everywhere, just a blissful house of pure joy for her family. Well it was indeed a wonderful house but stripped down to the essentials and belonged to the state. Then she goes to the private social club along the shoreline of Havana where her parents went to mingle. She met an older very black man who recognized her. He had been a servant at the club when her parents attended it. They had a wonderful conversation about the two different perspectives on the revolution. He reminded her that when she was young, she never even acknowledged his existence even though he had waited on them many times. He told her he used to live hand to mouth, was illiterate and was treated like dirt by everyone at the club. It was quite moving and yes, they both started crying. She left with a completely different attitude towards Cuba. It was a wonderful exploration of the personal lives of two opposite ends of the social ladder.
     
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    Progressives strive for uniform mediocrity in their “windmill attacks” on inequality.
     
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    And that is how Bernie proposes to pay for all the free stuff.
     
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    Yeah, Obama was a *cough* "progressive" *cough*...



    Hark! A socialist dog whistle....
     
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    So now Cuba treats everyone like dirt, wonderful. Blacks in the US in 1959 could have said the same, but attitudes changed and one even became POTUS, all without a totalitarian dictatorship.
     
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    You do understand that Castro expanded the education system, particularly the reading and writing segments, so the kids could read and understand the government propaganda he was pumping out.
    Face reality, Komrad Bernie Freeshit Sanders is a full blown communist.
     
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    The problem with your post is you don't say who "they" is. Any libertarian would call all of that stuff socialism. The Republicans hand out government money and don't call it socialism. Bernie wants to hand out money and call it socialism. Really it is a matter of branding. That, and the fact that Bernie want more socialism and more debt on top of the existing socialism and existing debt.
     
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    Actually Komrad Bernie is just preaching his own lifetime plan of not working in the private sector. The government is King. This guy has been a lazy bum all his life. Trump would eviscerate him in a debate. Too bad the DNC will stab him before that happens.
     
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    My tastes do not extend to the kind of attractions that lure people to Cuba.

    "So it comes as a double shock to arrive in Cuba as a tourist and see so
    much of it open to one's foreign stare, and to see also how brutal in
    many cases the new stare of the foreign visitor is. On a tour bus, the
    modest and articulate young woman who is our guide attempts to
    explain the currency system, but she is interrupted by a hefty
    middle-aged Mexican of some means who has been looking frankly at
    her body. "You're very good-looking, Cubanita," he says. "I like
    your hair." She thanks him less than graciously for the compliment, but
    he is unfazed. He makes a few comments about the pitiful state of the
    economy, and a short while later interrupts again. "Where can we see
    some table-dancing?" he wants to know. ...

    Of all the ways the Revolution could have looked for emergency money following
    the collapse of the Soviet Union, none was less predictable than this, and
    not only because the eradication of prostitution was one of Cuban
    socialism's proudest achievements-in the rhetoric, at least. ...

    ...Five dollars, the young Mexicans standing with me at the departure
    line boast at the end of their sexual holiday, was enough to buy "a
    spectacular mulata" for the evening. They are happy. " Alma Guillermoprieto.
    "Love and Misery in Cuba," NYRB, 6/11/98.

    At five dollars a throw the college educated Cuban whores are not quite slaves - if they get to keep the cash. Progress under socialism. Hell of a vacation bargain for working class Mexican men.

    Old times are not forgotten in Communist Cuba.
     
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    and now everyone, outside of the ruling class, is poor....great logic.

    the thing about socialism and leftist policies, it's not about making the poor, richer, it's about making the rich, poorer.
     
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    Bernie professes to be a democratic socialist like Sweden. The problem is that Sweden's economy is based on capitalism and their large welfare state is paid for by the low and middle classes. The also do not have a wealth tax which was abandoned decades ago when all the wealthy people moved to Monaco. Bernie's branding is a lie.
     
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    The average home in Sweden is about 800 sq ft., and they can afford their welfare state because they do not spend it on self-defense. They're "neutral" which means they've gambled on others, in particular the umbrella of the USA, to keep them safe.
     
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    Because power breeds more power. Why stop at healthcare? Why not internet? Home ownership? Personal transportation? Do you know how efficient we would be if nobody had to buy their own vehicle and everyone was able to travel anywhere anytime they wanted?!?! SO efficient.

    Power breeds more power.
    The UK government is highly, HIGHLY more efficient than the US government, I guess.

    See, it's tough to judge a program on its efficiency without profit margins. When there is no money to be made to judge profits, you simply use raw numbers.

    That leads to mission above everything else. As long as the mission is complete (X amount of people sign up for this program), the cost is irrelevant.

    I've worked for two different US government agencies and the policy is the same.

    So kudos to the UK for having a government run as efficiently as the private sector who meticulously measure everything down to the last penny... we certainly dont do that here. In fact, we dont measure any costs other than to report what we spend. There is no budget. It's just a made up number that nobody cares about.

    Dont get me wrong, I think life would be MUCH easier if I didnt have to pay for healthcare, childcare, retirement, food, transportation, housing. That would be awesome.

    But its not practical, and the only way it could be achieved is by taking money out of my pocket and giving it to someone else who didnt work for it.

    That, I'm not okay with.

    You can call it what you want but the fact remains.

    Maybe not there, but here, it's a religion.

    Again, if money mattered, why did the ObamaCare website cost what it did? Once they exceeded their budget they should have tried a different approach. But what happened in reality? They rammed that mother ****er through, cost be damned because... the cost didnt matter. All that mattered was that the have a finished website.

    I watch them do the same thing every single day.

    So maybe in the UK it's different, but after 6 years working for two government agencies, I've noticed the trend. Particularly with my current role, where I hear the saying "money is no object" at least twice a week.

    I'm not complaining. I put in 16 hours over the weekend at $55/hr.
     
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    It’s all relative. It’s not like he praised Kim’s Korea.
     
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    Nobody is advocating we emulate the North Korean government.
     
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    Do the slow burn with commie Bernie and see Trump win 48 states. California and Vermont being the odd ones out.
     
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    The power exists regardless of where you shift it. Would it be any better to shift everything to the private sector? Border security? Military? Elections? If we're not capable of managing that balance without going to one extreme or another, all bets are off.

    Possibly. Maybe the issue here isn't socialism but American incompetence. ;)

    Where I worked (NHS) we had tight budgets and performance targets, though it's perfectly possible things are different elsewhere. My experience in the private sector has varied massively. That remains my bottom line and only major point in the thread. Private or public sector, capitalist or socialist, isn't the sole defining factor in whether something is good or bad.

    That still isn't my fantasy. I don't it being brought up but if you keep trying to associate it with me I'm going to start treating that as a personal attack.

    So that is your problem. Why not stop blaming socialism (or "socialism") for your national failings and address whatever you think the real problems are?
     

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