CDC Warns It Expects Coronavirus to Spread in U.S

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  1. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    not sure how accurate is
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...s-to-spread-in-us/ar-BB10nFeQ?ocid=spartanntp

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/24/sto...ading-following-the-dows-1000-point-rout.html
     
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    Two things I have to comment on before I go on about the possibility of a pandemic. First of all the stock market is reacting, but is it really reacting to the cornonavirus or is it a combination of factors? If anyone remembers, last June there were predictions of an impending recession due to an economic indicator known as the "yield curve inversion" when it hit the three-month mark, this is an occurrence that has preceded the past seven U.S. recessions and we may be seeing this happening now under the guise of a coronavirus pandemic threat. Amid the surge and low levels of market volatility, an impending correction has been overdue.

    Keeping the prediction from last June in mind, the fear over the coronavirus possibly becoming pandemic is only adding to investors' fears. Personally, I don't believe the coronavirus is in any way worse than the flu which caused 80,000 deaths worldwide last year. The additional fear of a pandemic has exacerbated and deepened even more fear among investors. The stock market was long overdue for a correction anyway. If the world suddenly becomes engulfed in a pandemic with the new coronavirus, the US is extremely ill-prepared to handle it.

    How competent is our administration in dealing with a real outbreak like coronavirus? We had a whole system of training, a vast infrastructure of how to get hospitals prepared, how to get individual doctors and nurses prepared for just such an emergency. The most important thing is that we had institutional coordination across the board from Homeland Security to the CDC, to HHS. These are all the federal agencies which were part of our infrastructure that was eliminated by Trump's administration in 2018. Trump's cuts included shutting down the offices of the National Security Counsel and the offices of the Dept. of Homeland Security, there were 25% cuts across the board at the CDC eliminating their capacity to act as a global health player without drawing resources from other CDC programs.

    Americans are arrogant enough to believe we have the best health care system and think we are superior beings and have a superior system and the best health care system. None of that is true. Nobody even wants to take the guaranteed travelers, California kicked them out, Alabama said 'no way'. We have a legal construct to allow each state to refuse to take them. If there's a pandemic, we'll see a denigration of our union. The U.S. has no better capacity to stave off this virus than Italy, Japan, S. Korea or even China. States will put up barricades against other states.

    We should all hope (and pray if you're into prayer) that this virus doesn't create a pandemic because the US is poorly prepared to face it and deal with it. Thank you Trump.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    at least china able to build several 1500bed hospital in 2 week. this is getting serious in US.

    https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-requesting-1-25b-part-2-5b-041225702--abc-news-topstories.html
     
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    I heard reports the other day that California was not reporting its cases because it went against the privacy of the patient!! The person I was watching did not believe and still does not believe US statistics. Having said that unless you stop letting anyone in who has been anywhere in the world it is going to get in. A lot of people are scornful that the WHO has not called it a pandemic already and that includes the good doctor from the UK who is reporting on this and who always likes to be accurate and not exaggerating... It is not impossible you may manage with just what you have but very unlikely and once it is in on someone who does not know it spreads very quickly

    What happens to Americans without insurance who need medical help. It can result in a fairly long hospital stay. I think it would be worth the US giving them free help. A main issue concerning the number of deaths with this virus is whether people can get medical help. There is concern that when all hospital beds are taken up and people have to go without the death toll could rise significantly.

    I have read that both the US and China were artificially keeping the stockmarket high but it looks like that is over. I have read concerns that the effect on finance of this virus may be severe . Hopefully the actual virus will be less so.
     
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    A hack attack on Trump.

    Who has been saying we are “superior beings”?

    Get a grip, we are not putting up barricades.

    You lefties love to bash America and spread the doom and gloom!
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did the Coronavirus just infect the Markets?

     
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    Im not sure what that video is nor am I watching it.

    The post was extremely clear in its intent.
    Discredit the stock market, hurt Trump.
    Discredit the federal ability to react, hurt Trump.
    Call Americans arrogant, hurt America.
    We all gonna die and states will put up walls and become fiefdoms rules over by warlords!!

    Typical lefty hate and dread!! Well at least the silliness about walls between states was original insanity...
     
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    Oh please get over yourself. This thread is on the coronavirus.
     
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...s-2-5b-coronavirus-pelosi-says-s-not-n1142276

    well trump said its all good, so the trump supporter can relax,:alcoholic: while I start hoarding mask/med supplies, because CDC says otherwise. which do you trust, director of CDC and its doctors or a person who is well know been lying and attention grabber.
     
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    Bull

    Read the 2nd post

    The “thanks Trump” that was about the virus?

    The silliness of Americans thinking we are “Superior beings” was about the virus.

    The stock market crashing not being related to the virus, was about the virus?
     
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    Hey now ! You hoarding stuff ain’t very liberal!!!

    Us “Trump supporters” want our share of the stuff you paid for, rather you like it or not.

    I like the new socialist America!!

    Now what time is dinner at your place?
     
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    I never say i'm liberal. I'm just not a trump fan, usually I vote for republican. looking at trump previous business dealing etc and its history, only a sucker get draw in by his words. the ultimate con-artist.
     
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    Fair enough.

    I think he’s is a jerk of a person but a really strong POTUS.

    I think Cater was the best “man” we have had as president but by far the weakest POTUS we have Had in decades.

    The two don’t go hand in hand very often.
     
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    Your hubris is note
     
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    About 40% of supplies to let America survive come from or through China. Many critical health, medical needs, maintenance, and much more will be stopped. The stock markets are having their heart cut out, and replacement is not available. No discredit required!
    Trump and the Republicans have trashing the federal ability since Trump took over, slashing budgets, get rid of scientists, equipment, infrastructure in an infrastructure that was decades in the making, and will need a decade to rebuild. No discredit required!
    Arrogance has been the POINT of the Trump and Republican. No discredit required!
    ...

    That "silliness" is proposes daily by the Right and its leaders. No discredit required!

    Lol!
     
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    Hey lefties...

    Death virus inbound from foreign shores...

    See the importance of borders and tight border control now?

    I bet you don’t.
     
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    Thanks for proving it was a Trump bashing / America bashing post point for me. Very kind.
     
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    This will turn into a pandemic, which is bad, but not actually as dreadful as it sounds. At least not for countries with world-class health services.

    According to the CDC, a virus pandemic is

    1. a virus which causes illness, resulting in at least one death
    2. the virus is transmittable person-to-person, and
    3. the virus moves country-to-country and eventually causes world-wide spread.

    We have two of three conditions for a pandemic,. Since people travel all over the world and we have many countries flying infected people back to their home countries, the CDC is justified to put out a message that it's not "if", it's "when".

    However, the CDC page, updated today, still says that risk of catching the virus in the U.S. is low. You'd have to have had contact with someone who has travelled from China recently who is infected. So far as they are telling us, everyone in the U.S. who has tested positive has been quarantined. People who are ill are being flown from the base in San Antonio to a quarantine hospital in Nebraska.

    The people we need to be praying for are people in countries like Africa, who do not have access to adequate health care resources to handle a virus like COVID-19. That's where a pandemic would prove to be most deadly, even at the current 2% mortality rate.

    So, stay calm and watchful, and if it makes you feel better, blame Donald Trump.
     
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    Never hurts to be cautious. But the media love to sell itself and these types of event allow that. Y2K being a example. Every hurricane we get a hurricane in Texas it is basically the end of the world as it approaches in the media.
     
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    I trust the CDC to be overly cautious and tell us that we may have some disruption from normal schedules. They are not recommending stocking up on masks and medical supplies and the risk is still low in the U.S. If we have outbreaks in some areas, schools in that area may need to close, but schools across the country wouldn't all close. Kids normally make missed days up during the summer.

    The CDC information page has a decent description of the status and only one short paragraph of what may happen.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html

    Oh, and I heard that Trump force-fed the Chinese bats and other wild animals. Don't tell CNN.
     
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    Hmm, nice for Europe and Canada.

    USA is now 34th on the list, with plenty of people with no health care at all.

    I don't think "World Class" applies anymore. But better than Mexico, though!
    As the last report, the USA does not have test cards anywhere except at the CDC, with 2 or 3 day turnaround for results (weekends too? Don't know!)

    But I have been in 2 different Emergency rooms this week, and the result of me quietly asking a few personnel if anyone checks for Cornavirus (Covad), they all looked me like I was nuts and snort. I think that was a "no"! Lol

    And there are some very sick people in the long lines outside down the hall waiting, jammed in waiting for many hours. People are looking at my mask much more closely now. Anyone who looks even a little oriental where masks.
     
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    Right now the CDC wants to put some word out about possible school/business closures to cover their butts. If it happens they don't want to be blamed with, "Why didn't you warn us???" If nothing happens, it's like the hurricane warning that doesn't hit.

    On the other hand, the CDC website is not indicating any major threat at this moment. They don't want to start an unnecessary nationwide panic.

    This virus is doing one thing for certain. Disruption in normal global trade must be costing billions of dollars a day. I'd be more concerned about product shortages and price inflation than about catching a virus which 98% of people survive.
     
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    Kind of late for that! I just bought a dozen masks N95 masks, not very good ones at 3 times the price, most of the regular vendors have none or very elaborate ones for $100 each.

    In 2021!
     
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    Y2K went ok, although still had more than a few problems, after spending a lot of billions to update and hardening to accounting, infrastructure and healthcare issues in EVERY part of the country and industry.

    Now, we have a crisis in process for which we have severely CUT every health and preparedness system and infrastructure in the last 3 years.

    The ONLY option for Americans is buy some canned tuna and chicken and water, and lots of aspirin and keep some cash in your wallet. (None of this stuff works if fears illness so truckers don't deliver food and gas and grocery stores have non knew and nothing to sell and the hospitals have a hundred times more sick people than the usual often long lines in flu season).

    But trust Trump! When has he ever steered people wrong?
     
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    The mask won't prevent you from catching a virus. A mask will help prevent you from spreading the virus if you become ill.

    They aren't checking people for COVID-19 because we quarantined all the people we flew back from China, and the people who were on the Diamond cruise.

    Before COVID-19 took over the "outbreak" headlines, the headlines were about a seriously severe flus season. We are finished with flu season yet and have seen mortality rates of 4-10% of those hospitalized with the flue. The tremendous majority of people who get the flu don't go to the hospital or even go to a doctor.

    COVID-19 is seeing 2-3% mortality. Severity ranges from "very mild" to "death". I'd like to see numbers on what percentage is "very mild" (like the flu).

    They're being very cautious, which is a good thing.

    Watch Italy instead of China. We can get more trustworthy numbers from there.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...ortality-rate-similar-to-chinas/#58d648296c43
     
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