You are free to do your own research on Gena Turgel's and Moshe Peer's outrageous claims that are actually believed by the same people who believe that millions were gassed to death. Please let me know what you find out. Re: By "declared enemy", I assume that you mean Europe's Jews. I have already agreed that the Nazis murdered some of Europe's Jews who were a perceived threat to Germany. I simply do not believe that they were executed by the millions in a systematic, industrialized manner via homicidal gas chambers and deliberate starvation. Even orthodox Holocaust scholar Arno Mayer admits that more inmates died of "natural causes" (typhus etc) than were executed and the Red Cross estimated that fewer than 400,000 died in all the camps. The Germans also executed Buchenwald commandant Karl Otto Koch for cruel excesses and abuse of inmates. The judge was Konrad Morgen. If Buchenwald etc were "Death Camps", why would a commandant be punished for cruelty? I have said that I do not believe the SHN because so much that is claimed by the Holocaust Industry - Lobby is physically impossible. I cited 2 examples in my previous Post ("Bunker 2" & Auschwitz). Do you believe that 3 people could fit into one square foot or that it was physically possible to execute and cremate 25,000 per day at Auschwitz?
Can you elaborate more on polish - Jewish relations before the war , after and today The polish King took in many Jews from Germany during the Black Death but their relations were never good
Have you had time to investigate the claims of Gena Turgel and Moshe Peer? Also, I cited just 2 examples of the standard holocaust narrative that are routinely found in MSM and used to arrive at the fictional casualty numbers (about 6 million Jews & 5 million others killed). In order for them to be true, 3 people would have to fit into a space 1 foot square(1) and the Nazis would have to have gassed and cremated 20,000 people per day(2) in the time period of mid 1944. Do you really believe that either of these claims are possible? It is also noteworthy that extensive Allied air reconnaissance detected little coal/coke at Auschwitz for cremations, and absolutely no evidence of lines to the "gas chamber" or billowing smoke from excessive cremations during the time claimed (mid 1944). (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2" https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History." According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED (2) “THE CAMPS” https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED
Voltaire has an enlightening article, written by Thierry Meyssan: The interpretation of the Shoah From that I am quoting the section on homosexuality: The "extermination" of homosexuals The Nazis, following the scientific consensus of their time, tried to preserve the Germanic (sic) "race" by prohibiting interracial marriages. This was not very original, as Germany had already been doing it since 1905, before the First World War, and many other Western countries with it. But it was not only a question of preventing the birth of half-breeds, it was also necessary to preserve the genetic heritage of the race. The Institut du Kaiser Guillaume (equivalent to the French CNRS) stated that during sexual relations between men, if one penetrated the other, he could transmit elements of his genetic heritage. There was therefore a risk with "passive homosexuals". This is why the Nazis penalized the practice of this form of sexuality, even though it was publicly dominant in the party at the beginning. Those caught in flagrante delicto were invited to be castrated or imprisoned as anti-social. Many doctors, including Sigmund Freud, distributed medical certificates stating that homosexuality was a disease, but that the subject was undergoing therapy. In this way they saved their patients from atrocities of one kind or another. Some groups now wrongly cite these certificates of convenience to claim that the founder of psychoanalysis condemned homosexuality as a deviation. After attending the unveiling in Amsterdam of a monument to deported homosexuals - there were allegedly more than 5 000 of them in the whole of the Reich - I founded an association to get this crime recognized in France. I have thus organised several ceremonies with associations of deportees. A witness came forward, Pierre Seel, who told us in great detail about being deported to the Struthof camp for homosexuality. By decree, I had the conditions for recognition as a deportee changed so that he could benefit from it. However, at the time of filling out his file, it turned out that this witness was lying and had been deported as an Alsatian-Mosellan deserter. I then asked a friend of mine, Senator Henri Caillavet, to investigate the deportation of French homosexuals in his capacity as president of the Commission nationale informatique et libertés (CNIL). After a year of research, he found that there has never been a police file on this subject and that this event has never existed in France, nor in the annexed Alsace-Moselle. However, Pierre Seel’s version was popularized and the city of Toulouse even dedicated a street to him. This story has taught me a lot about the bidding war between groups of people to win the crown of martyrs. The belief has spread that the Reich wanted to exterminate gays and lesbians, which is absolutely false. There has never been a repression of lesbianism, but only of male homosexuality, and still only among the so-called "Aryan" populations. Only 48 men were identified as such at Auschwitz. They were deported to the concentration camp and those surviving released in 1942 to serve as "Aryans" in the "total war" against the Allies. It should be remembered here that neither Jewish, Gypsy, nor homosexual issues played any part in the outbreak of the World War. More can be read here: https://www.voltairenet.org/article...DmYgqarAiFlchCoqom0R_FJEMfBU5WgFjZ7GHOZAPZL_h --------- A look at the German society now with its a) massive abortions, b) child-abstinence, c) honoring any sexual orientation encouraged already in kindergarten, d) mixing with many races would be a great shock to the Alt-Nazis!! Everything they strove for has been reversed into its opposite.
We both have, to a certain extent. We can research the Internet from home and order books from libraries. Unfortunately, we're no professional historians who get paid for that stuff but that doesn't really matter. The HC isn't all about making money. That may be your belief, not mine. I do, not only because your assumptions are totally false. I've often seen that HC deniers invent their own stories, ascribed to the SHN guys, in order to refute them at the same moment. Sorry bro, for taking that not too serious. There are, of course, aerial photographs of Auschwitz with smoking chimneys. You'll easily find them on the internet. The coke / coal issue exists because you don't know much about Nazi mass cremation technology.
@Jazz May I ask you if you're a member of a German political discussion board using the same nickname? If so, did you ever read a user named "pittbull" with double t?
I am simply interested to know if you believe the stories of Gena Turgel & Moshe Peer. Turgel, like many dishonest Holocaust survivors also claims to have been a victim of Dr. Mengele and even claimed to be a friend of Ann Frank. No one that I know really believes that Moshe Peer was gassed 6 times at Bergen Belsen but both are examples of the sort of things that holocaustians believe without question. Re: Both sources I cited (1), (2) are ones that I ran across while doing research. I am not trying to trick you. Both are commonly believed by unquestioning holocaustians and need to be true in order for the Nazis to have killed about 6 million Jews & 5 million others. If you don't believe that 3 people could fit into one square foot or that 20,000 were gassed and cremated per day (mid 1944), you can't believe that the Nazis killed about 11 million people Re: I hope you don't believe the outrageous nonsense about being able to burn more than one body at a time in less than 1 - 2 hours. I know that Holocaust legends are full of other physically impossible stories about burning more than one body at a time, bodies burning on their own with no fuel, bodies burning in 15 minutes etc. All of those claims are complete fabrications. As you must know, the human body is about 75% water and water doesn't burn. (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2" https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History." According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED (2) “THE CAMPS” https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED
The Nazis burned many corpses at the same time. The burning of human bodies is an exothermic reaction, which means that if a few bodies are already burning, only further bodies have to be added to continue the burning process. Firewood was only needed to initially heat the ovens. Only compressed air was required during operation to accelerate combustion and regulate the temperature. Regarding the capacity of the Auschwitz crematoria: Source: https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
I'm a blacksmith who has worked with coal fueled fires for over 25 years and can honestly say that what you're claiming about cremation capacity is as close to tin foil hat science as anything I've read. The human body is about 75% water and water is used to extinguish fires, not inflame them so the idea that more bodies mean more fuel is absurd. Even after a cremation time of 1 - 2 hours which is a minimum, bones and teeth still remain and have to be dealt with. Meanwhile, the muffles (ovens) at Auschwitz were also used by the surrounding civilians & villagers because the water table around Auschwitz is unusually high & burying bodies would pollute the ground water. My 2 questions, however, were do you believe that 3 people could fit into the space of 1 square foot and do you believe the mainstream claim that 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated in one day at Auschwitz - Birkenau (mid 1944). Claims like these have to be true in order for the Nazis to have killed 11 million people. Since you cited a source that contradicts the mainstream claim of 20,000 gassed and cremated per day at Auschwitz - Birkenau (mid 1944), I can only guess that you do not believe that the Nazis killed about 11 million people. (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2" https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History." According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED (2) “THE CAMPS” https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED
I didn't know that a blacksmith is a specialist in the burning of human remains. Most of the water is bound in fat cells. And fat is a very good fire accelerator if there is a certain basic heat. 1 ... 2 hours in a civil, not preheated crematorium, in which single corpses are burned at relatively long intervals. This has nothing to do with the Nazi high-performance multiple-body cremation technology used at Auschwitz. HC deniers often use such false comparisons and assumptions. It's getting boring ... And yes, there were some bones that didn't burn well. The Nazis had special bone-crunching machines for this. 11 million, WTF? About 1.1 million people were murdered in Auschwitz. The Holocaust had many crime scenes.
As long as you continue to believe the fantasy that simple water is a burning fuel source and that multiple bodies could fit in one person muffles (ovens), I see little point in continuing to discuss cremation times and capacities except to add the following factual information: “The Problem of Cremator Hours and Incineration Time” http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p219_Buchner.html EXCERPTS: “3. Multiple Charge With the above in mind, one can also immediately understand why multiple charge -- 2 or 3 corpses stacked together as claimed in the Holocaust theory (see for example F. Müller[9] page 17) -- will not produce shorter incineration times. Nobody knew anymore how long a cremation took back then but the 4 to 6 hours for coal-fired cremators appeared acceptable to today's crews. 4. Incineration Time In 1946 the incineration time in coal-fired cremators was about 4 to 6 hours. [6] The variation is caused by different physical sizes of the corpses but also by the condition of the tissue. 7. Some Other Technical Points But if one assumes 100 kg (220 lb) of coal per corpse (which may be insufficient) even 250,000 cremations would have required 25,000 tons. There are no storage or processing facilities known for larger amounts of fuel. One would expect at least railway tracks to have been extended directly up to the cremators. There were none.[25] There are not even simple mechanical unloading facilities (ramps or chutes for example) known either. Distributed over 20 months in Auschwitz II, 25,000 tons would have required more than 41 tons of manual handling of coal per day. " CONTINUED I am not claiming that 11 million people were killed at Auschwitz and am only using two examples of mainstream claims to show the value of critical thinking and the fraudulence of mainstream claims. If one blindly believes the mainstream claim that 1,200 people could be gassed at one time in "Bunker 2", one would have to believe that 3 people could fit into a 1 foot square.(1) Too few people examine claims made by minions of the Holocaust Industry such as Laurence Rees closely enough to see that they are physically impossible. Most people will read his book and feel well informed without checking to see if his "statistics" are even possible. The same is the case with the second example. I suppose that many people will read this additional mainstream claim that 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated per day at Auschwitz - Birkenau(2) because that is one of the numbers that is used to arrive at the figure of 1.1 million killed at Auschwitz - Birkenau. My point is that people who actually believe the two physically impossible examples I just cited (1) & (2) also believe the equally impossible canard that the Nazis killed about 6 million Jews & 5 million others without question when a closer examination would show that it was equally not possible for the Nazis to have killed about 11 million people and made their bodies disappear. Why believe the claim that the Nazis killed & disposed of 11 million people when so much of the mainstream information used to support that claim is physically impossible? (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2" https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History." According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED (2) “THE CAMPS” https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED
Okay bro, then we have to investigate why it's even possible to burn human bodies. A simple-knitted person would think that the body water should extinguish the fire immediately. Why do corpses burn anyway?
Corpses, themselves, don't burn however with enough exterior fire they decompose via heat until all that remains is bone and teeth. Even steel can be burned with enough exterior fire (it turns into a sparkling, white liquid). Another thing to consider is the ashes and clinker that remains from the burned coal. If hundreds of thousands of bodies were cremated via coal fired muffles (ovens) there would be enormous piles of ash and clinker nearby. Finally, Allied Air reconnaissance reports that there was very little coal and little smoke at Auschwitz - Birkenau.(1) For more information about modern and faster cremation: "9 Things About Cremation" https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/ EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone. When complete, the bones are allowed to cool to a temperature that they can be handled and are placed into a processing machine. It looks like a mean margarita blender, and they are processed down to the consistency of ash, where they get their misnomer name. 4. Cremation is fast. Fast compared to decomposition, but most people don’t know that it takes 2 – 2.5 hours to cremate a human body. As a general rule, people don’t spend a whole bunch of time thinking about the details of cremation, and so when pressed, most people think that it should take 15 – 30 minutes. There’s a lot of water to boil off, and heating water is a long, energy intensive process. "CONTINUED Re: . I want to complement you on your excellent use of the English language however, I'm not sure what you mean by "simple-knitted" "How the Simon Wiesenthal Center Falsifies History" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-4_SWC.html EXCERPT "Similarly, there is no trace of crematory smoke in any of the Allied aerial reconnaissance photos taken of Auschwitz and Birkenau on random days in 1944. Cremation specialists affirm that crematories do not produce visible smoke. In short, the available evidence does not support the "billowing smoke" claims of many former inmates."CONTINUED
I don't care about Jews. Usually, I'm taken for an anti-Semite because I often condemn Israeli state terrorism against the Palestinians. I'm writing here against falsification of history. A mass murder should be declared non-existent. No matter who's the perpetrator or victim. Something like that is never acceptable!
Trumps big deal makes future Palestine look like hundreds of tiny Islands in the West Bank It would be best if Israel had a new king
The new Trump plan means a new phase of escalation. One could almost think he's an opponent of Israel.
I have to, since some people might mistakenly think that I'm a friend of the Jewish folks. I judge people by their personal character, not by the group they claim to belong to.
