CDC Warns It Expects Coronavirus to Spread in U.S

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  1. Ddyad

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    Isn't Rod Rosenstein Dr. Nancy Messonnier's brother? You know the guy who signed off on the FISA wiretaps on Trump?

    "It begs the question: Why is Nancy Messonnier admitting the truth that nearly all other “official” sources are denying?
    The job history of Messonnier reveals a fascinating theory that might explain all this. Let’s take a look…
    Messonnier is a product of the military wing of the CDC, with a history of working in the areas of biological weapons and mass vaccination programs in Africa"


    CDC “Intelligence Officer,” anthrax researcher and African vaccine deployment expert openly admits the coronavirus pandemic is beyond control and will spread globally
    By Mike Adams - February 9, 2020.
    https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/...c-is-beyond-control-and-will-spread-globally/
     
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    And when they apprehend the fist illegal crossing the southern border who has the virus, all hell will break loose.
     
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    No conjecture. The people who the coronavirus mainly kill are the old and those with diabetes, heart and lung problems especially those who smoke. That is known. That 15-20% of people who acquire the virus require hospital treatment is known. One of the biggest concerns expressed by medics is that an area will be so overwhelmed with the virus that it will not be able to offer hospital care to those requiring it with the belief that this will lead to a much higher death rate. Think of how many people in the US would die if 10-20% of you die. That is what you are happily leaving yourself open to. It is a possibility. It is the responsibility of your Government to make sure it is not so as other Governments are doing. No good after saying 'we did not know' The information and advice is clear for all who are interested to see.

    I said you have left yourselves open to it. You have 8000 people in California who are self isolating and they cannot get a test to find out if they have the virus. What is more the US is not engaging in testing anyone. You have left yourself open to being one of the countries which overnight has mass deaths and widespread infection.

    You don't care about any of the people who will die. You believe that only socialists will die. You do not give a **** for your people if they are not of your political opinion. Do you really expect the virus to act like that. Do you think it will not kill the far right? You have no social responsibility.

    You know nothing about this virus. You have no interest in it. Your only interest in this threat is to be abusive to people you believe are 'leftists.' I gather that to you leftists are people who respect and care about others. I will not mistake you with that.

    I am not going to waste more time with you. This is a very serious issue which it would have been good had people been able to properly discuss the pros and cons not just for kiddies who come out looking for 'lefties' to fight.. Find another toy. I am not going to waste my time with any more of your posts.[/QUOTE]
     
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    this is not true, your own link you posted stated 80% showed mild symptoms. SOME people showed no symptoms.

    as for only being like the flu, the first major flu pandemic infected 27% of the worlds population and estimates of deaths range from 50 million to 100 million. In today’s numbers that’s up to 400 million people. That’s with an infection rate of 27%.

    Currently some estimates are at 80% of the population if left uncontrolled. with a 3% mortality rate that’s well over 200 million.

    Using infections rates for China makes no sense. Most western governments wouldn’t or couldn’t put the types of restrictions to limit the spread in place.

    personally i think people panicking are completely over reacting, but complacency is just as foolish

    comparing the over reaction to Y2K is plain stupid, the ONLY reason Y2K wasn’t a disaster was the enormous amount of work that went into preventing it
     
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    It’s not a right or left thing. It’s a who is prepared vs. who isn’t prepared thing. Prepared people have the luxury of reacting pragmatically from a logic and reason perspective instead of an emotionally driven fear perspective.

    I’m sad so many don’t care enough about themselves to be prepared for things like this.
     
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    it was the large number of people in a closed space.... also spreading in schools, churches, and other areas where people are in close contact

    it's believed to have originally come from bats, but not confirmed

    just having a flea jump from one infected species (even the human species) to another is enough to get it started

    walking your dog in public could increase spread, going to dog parks, ect...
     
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    yep, Trump will be looking for a group to blame for sure

    "Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response"

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/3...ited-states-public-health-emergency-response/

    "As it improvises its way through a public health crisis, the United States has never been less prepared for a pandemic."

    "In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure."
     
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    how is the virus spreading, by legal travel... do you want to ban that?

    how about imports and exports

    we live in a global society, we could add quarantine periods to all ships and flights I suppose - but who picks up the costs, not many gonna travel if they have to be quarantined for two weeks there and two weeks back - how many employers would give people 5 weeks off

    sure, we can have temporary measures, but making them permanent is not gonna happen due to the huge economic impact
     
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    I totally agree that it is not a right or left thing. What I was saying referred to the poster I was replying to. The stage things are at in the US I would think is the responsibility of Government agencies to take care of, no doubt why the CDC have got involved.

    Europe seems to have decided to allow people to go to Italy and back though in the UK they were told if they are old or have the health problems which tend to result in death they should maybe think about whether it is worth it...I wondered why the change from the response to China. Then today I was hearing that because we had been told this it would not be possible to get money back if people cancelled their holidays. It did make me wonder if that was the reason we are not being advised against going there - that is not to hurt business....just wondering. ;).
     
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    Having given that a bit more thought, people will not be going to the infected areas where they have the army keeping people out and in so I guess it is just not shutting everything down if it does not need to be so.
     
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    Corona coming to US. Well no ****! People get in things called planes these days.
     
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    I’m sure economics factors into every country’s response. It has to because a collapsed economy could kill more than the virus itself.

    I’m not convinced there is any way to keep this one from making its way through the general population. It will likely be with us forever, just like current flu and cold viruses. We will just have to treat the sick, keep working on vaccinations (which probably won’t be any more effective than today’s flu shot), and try and learn the lessons we should have learned from SARS and bird flu.

    On the positive side, this is what things look like in my state.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ke...ity-of-nebraska-medical-center-covid/31099043

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ka-medicine-marc-siegel-shelly-schwedhelm.amp

    I’m not sure what I’ll do if coronavirus begins to spread here. I’m prepared to isolate myself for however long it takes to keep from being exposed. However, the way things look now with mortality rates, poor prospects of completely eliminating the virus, etc. I’m inclined to intentionally expose myself as soon as convenient to do so and get it over with. I would like more information on whether reinfection is likely and how quickly the virus will mutate in large populations before making this decision.
     
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    Corona is here - it is not a matter of if it spreads - but how quickly. This had zero to do with tighter border controls or the wall. Not that these things are not important - more that this was not a factor in this case. Nations acted fairly quickly once China spoke up - but at that point it was already too late - the thing had already spread.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/live-update...ll-infections-latest-news-updates-2020-02-25/

    So far there are 59 confirmed cases in the US.
     
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    Thanks China and your bat soup.
     
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    Well now I understand why liberals don’t care about controlled borders, they don’t know what they are or how they work so why would they care if we have them.
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    20% death rate?

    Current Numbers showing a 3% death rate at this point.

    Where are you pulling 20% from?


    Run scream run!

    Keep freaking out, it’s entertaining.
     
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    What I wrote is true. The mild symptoms are mild cough and fever.

    Your other comments (on Y2K, etc.) appear to be directed at others.
     
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    At least it wasn't foie gras.
     
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    No one is saying that a novel virus isn't serious. It is under control as much as possible, and there isn't anything we can do about it but watch. Panicking, stressing out and blaming people isn't going to change one thing.

    Live your life fully as if it's the last day you have, because one day, it will be.
     
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    20% death rate?

    Current Numbers showing a 3% death rate at this point.

    Where are you pulling 20% from?
     
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    In this situation the situation is that Italy now makes people scared given it has a big outbreak. People were wanting to cancel their holidays. In reality unless it spreads to other areas of Italy those areas are as safe as anywhere else...but that could change any day. Then I would think that people would be advised against going to the area as obviously if they were infected the State would need to make sure they did a secure isolation and/or needed medical treatment.

    Did you notice Pence shouting at Iran. Clearly Pence things that when Iran has it it is a big deal.

    You are wrong to compare it with colds or flues. If the newest research on how infectious it is is correct, it has the ability to quickly spread to every person it meets. It also kills more people than flue and we do not as yet know its true strength - what it might change into and the possibility that having it may result in a person's immune cells rather than fighting it off making it get it worst next time - this is how the vaccine developed for Sars reacted and there is some talk of people getting reinfected.

    This is a virus which will make extremely ill 15-20% of the people who will then need hospital care. Given the infectious rate, if precautions are not taken, as the US has not taken, they are likely to be hard hit.

    What you have to understand is that the only way to stop this infection from spreading is to isolate it. If not you get your 15-20% of people needing hospital care all together. In most countries this would cause a massive loss of live.

    I was talking with my daughter about the concerns of so many people being infected that they were not able to get treatment and died and she pointed out, rightly I think that in that situation we likely would see other people dying because of lack of treatment as those with the Coronavirus would be taking the beds.

    and again, there is a possibility that this may become considerably worse and affect worse people who get it for the second time. This is something which is still being looked into.

    Check what I have said above before committing yourself to that. Your last sentence is sound but it takes time for us to get that information. There is considerable surprise at how quickly this seems to have settled out of China. I have been watching the daily videos I left one of here http://www.politicalforum.com/index...o-spread-in-u-s.568684/page-4#post-1071464942
    since it became a daily report. He's been very informative - not that everything he says is gospel, it includes his opinions but he will make you think and give you a good idea and all the new information he can get.:)
     
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    In my opinion it’s too late for isolation to be very effective. Too much global spread already combined with the long incubation up to 27 days and asymptomatic contagion period.


    Didn’t see that. Do you have a link, sounds interesting.



    My comparison to common influenza is in the context that it isn’t going away. We aren’t going to eradicate it. I mentioned there is worry the un-mutated virus may be able to reinfect. That is concerning but not verified so I’m not going to worry about that yet.

    I suppose it’s possible many could be symptomatic at the same time. We will see. Again, I don’t think in today’s world a virus like this will be contained. For one thing, Americans aren’t going to be controlled by government like in China or Europe. Right or wrong, it just won’t work the same.

    This is why I refuse to leave myself at the mercy of government or health facilities.

    Again, we agree on this. But we don’t know yet.



    I make all my decisions based on the best information science can provide. I’m content to wait and see how things develop.

    I would encourage everyone concerned about this to do what they can to buttress their overall general health. That is probably the best thing one can do. I understand not everyone can, but most could do something. Exercise. Quit smoking. Eat right. It may save your life sooner than later.
     
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    Here on this site, several people constantly remind that that the Covad virus is being monitored and checked.

    This is NOT true! Anyone who makes these claims have some other agenda than the truth, whether it's to keep the stock market up or maybe to people to relax and go back to the sleep.

    Today, at about 2 PM, the hearing from 3 Drs health officials discuss the issues chaired by Chairman Eshoo.

    He the main Dr. (I couldnt maintain the 3 doctors names testimony to Congress) but the state of rapid tests for the Covad virus. The official indicated that the CDC does NOT have the rapid testing working yet, but he says the problems should be worked "by the end of the week"! This test had been released weeks ago, and AFTER use by the field, it doesn't work. It doesn't work NOW! There is NO firm promise by the end of this week (February 28th)@

    ALL tests to now are done by sending these tests to CDC (or the one or two of the Naval etc labs) for tests, which takes DAYS to get results!

    EVERYONE who has said these tests have done are simply NOT HAPPENING, and for instance those who are checked for fever at an airport and then sent home or motels or Las Vegas may VERY WELL have the virus! These people are on lists, theoretically, and if they get sick, they may go back to quarantine (ha ha) or ERs or sometimes they will be dead on the street just like all the other places Covad has gone.

    Just to remind people, if you hear the administration or the Right wing people (their statements, not mine) tell you its "All under control", it's not. No one has ANY IDEA how it is in control!

    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/

    https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-coronovirus-test.html
     
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    OH NO!!!!

    What they outta do is stick all those folks in Vegas in a nice casino for a week. That’s not a bad way to spend a week in quarantine :0

    Maybe Bloomer will give them money to gamble with if they swear to vote for him.
     
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