Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Simple. Human nature.

    People are inherently selfish and lazy. They need motivation to work and ultimately contribute to the collective. In capitalism, that motivation is wealth.

    In a system that is driven by motivation to provide for the collective, rather than themselves, the system falls apart.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol.

    Take a look at our budget. The deficit can be almost completely attributed to social programs. If the federal government only paid for things authorized by the constitution, we wouldn't have a debt.
     
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    That’s sort of like pointing at two guys treading water in the middle of the ocean and claiming the guy on the right is going to last longer.

    The hybrids seem to work the best. Sweden has a debt to GDP ratio around 35%. Germany is at 50%.
     
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    Saudi Arabi is around 25 percent....maybe we should just be an absolute monarchy....
     
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    It only works until the state runs out of the private wealth that was accumulated by free citizens, prior to socialism taking hold. Without stealing from free nations, China would still be a massive third world country.
     
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    EyesWideOpen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why, are you gonna put lipstick on some a form of socialism?
     
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    No.
     
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    Bottom line -- why change the USA government style when it is proven to be the best. You just can't argue with success.
     
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    Why does unbridled capitalism lead to fascism?
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Socialism doesnt work because its authoritarian and fundamentally reductive.

    A society cannot grow if its designed to eat itself.
    Reducing everyone to the same level of poverty and despair will lead to destruction and death.
     
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    No capitalism inspires people to achieve.
     
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    It doesn’t. Fascism, and Benito called it was the third way. It’s not capitalism. It’s socialism, but with the govt allowing a handful of big corps to exist. Much like what Obama did or attempted with GMC
     
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    Glad you didn't say democratic socialism is the same as socialism . Democratic socialism isnt socialism . The term is very deceptive since these are capitalistic econonies

    But socialism the real kind has the govt producing all goods and services with no incentive to keep the shelves stocked. The private sector does a better job and that is proven.
     
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    Wow that's absurd.
     
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    Spot on! None of these commie countries can do better.
     
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    Let's be real, though. Our prosperity is to a large extent based on borrowed money. Makes me nervous. Makes me more nervous that government wants to spend even more.

    At least Trump is trying to cut the budget.
     
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    Is that even true? Examples?
     
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    How is it based on borrowed money? Are you talking about our government? LOL! Our government is a big fail but our private economy is not. Just another reason we need to shrink the size of government.
     
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    Yes, but they are connected. Private commerce depends on healthy interest rates. No one should be confident that they will remain low if we don't get debt under control.
     
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    Post of the day ^ Speak the truth, brother man.
     
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    Yeah, laugh it up.

    "In the short run, the economy and voters benefit from deficit spending because it drives economic growth and stability. The federal government pays for defense equipment, health care, and building construction, and contracts with private firms that then hire new employees. These new employees then spend their government-subsidized wages on gasoline, groceries, new clothes, and more, and that boosts the economy. The same effect occurs with employees the federal government hires directly. And as part of the components of GDP, government spending makes up a huge chunk, most of which is allocated to military expenditure. Over the long term, debt holders could demand larger interest payments. As the debt-to-GDP ratio increases, they’d want compensation for an increased risk. Diminished demand for U.S. Treasurys would further increase interest rates, which would slow the economy.

    https://www.thebalance.com/the-u-s-debt-and-how-it-got-so-big-3305778

     
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    China is a socialist government but it's the second largest economy in the world and is even threatening to overtake USA for the number one spot.
     
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    It's a mixed economy. There are Chinese billionaires. Study China under Maoism and get back to us.
     
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    The problem is greed for money, the only greed the left sees as a problem and almost always accuses the wrong people of greed. Greed however comes in several forms and greed for money is the least problematic. Greed for power is far more dangerous. And it is why so many Western countries have such high debt to GDP levels.
     
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