Jesus was a Jew. Why do some Christians and Muslims hate Jews?

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  1. Grau

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    I am simply trying to illustrate the value of critical thinking when examining mainstream holocaust claims and only randomly picked 2 mainstream claims that are physically impossible as examples.
    I am not claiming that the fallacy of these two mainstream claims, alone, disproves the fictitious figure of about 6 million Jews and 5 million others killed by the Nazis however is is precisely figures like those in (1) & (2) that holocaustians use to arrive at the inflated figure of about 11 million killed by the Nazis.

    Please remember that Germany was grossly outnumbered, fighting a 3 Front war and didn't have the time, manpower or resources to round up, transport, house, medically treat, feed and then execute, cremate & dispose of millions of people.

    In cases where there have been a significant number of people executed, there have always been written orders like Stalin's however there is absolutely no written order(3) or intercepted radio transmission(4) that indicates a genocidal agenda, only exaggerated stories and piles of typhus ridden bodies.

    Finally, there are nowhere near the number of mass graves as claimed in Holocaust lore and a $100,000- reward(5) exists for anyone who can find a significant fraction of the commensurate number of mass graves at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II.

    How can any person with even moderate critical thinking ability believe the Holocaust legend when there is so little hard evidence to support it?




    (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED


    (2) “THE CAMPS”
    https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm

    EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED


    (3) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (4). “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED



    (5) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00. REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    It saddens me that you approve of all of those hateful ideas expressed in the Talmud.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    PLEASE STOP INVESTIGATING THE HOLOCAUST LIES!
    WHY CANT YOU JUST GO AWAY AND BELIEVE
    WHAT WE TOLD YOU TO BELIEVE!

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    Hows that for ****ing arrogance?
    PRYING EYES? WTF?

     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    BTW, has anyone ever found catholics, protestants, muslims, gays, gypsies, homeosexuals, anyone else OTHER than J-Ws claim the existence of homicidal gas chambers? :rolleyes:
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Then there is this:

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    ****ING SERIOUSLY?

    Can anyone lower their IQ low enough to believe the **** they pass off and claim as gas chambers? Seriously its unfucking believable, so over the top on the bullshit scale I cant help but laugh my ass off at the top shelf comedy show they put on for us. :shock:
     
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    Great pictures and evidence of the fairy tale hoax.
     
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    You've made it abundantly clear that there are innumerable reasons to reject what has become the standard holocaust narrative (SHN).
    What is especially specious is the myth of widespread German sadism.

    A theme that runs throughout truthful holocaust accounts is that the Germans tried to make life as bearable as possible in the camps but especially near the end of the war they were unable to supply the camps with adequate food and medicine because Germany's transportation infrastructure was destroyed. In other words, most of the suffering in these camps was a result of wartime privations, not innate German sadism.
    For example, among the things stated by M. R. Wright in his letter that you posted was: "I must also say that I received help and comfort from many Germans in this difficult time."
    A British P.O.W. who spent time at Auschwitz said: "The Germans, contrary to what a lot of people think, were pretty good to us on the whole."(1)
    A former neighbor of mine who was a "White" Russian (vs "Red") was captured by all the major armies in the European theater. She steadfastly maintained that she received the best treatment while in the hands of the Germans.

    If people were deliberately starved, beaten and gassed, it's very unlikely that a Holocaust survivor would say that the Germans: "...were pretty good to us on the whole.
    It's long past time to recognize Allied propaganda about the stereotypical cruel and sadistic Hun for the lie that it is especially when some of the most egregious war crimes were committed by the Allies.

    “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
    Winston Churchill (2)





    (1). "The Auschwitz goalkeeper: British prisoner of war who played in football match at Nazi death camp returns to bury the past"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443738/The-Auschwitz-goalkeeper-British-prisoner-war-makes-poignant-return-Nazi-death-camp.html

    EXCERPTS "During the week prisoners were employed at forced labour camps, but on their rest day they were allowed to play football on a field just outside the camp - with armed German guards watching from the sidelines.

    Father-of-one Ron said: “We didn’t work on a Sunday so we used to play football.'

    The Red Cross heard about it and brought the teams four sets of shirts - English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh.

    'There was the humiliation and the lack of food but on the whole life wasn’t too bad.'

    'The Germans, contrary to what a lot of people think, were pretty good to us on the whole.' "CONTINUED


    (2) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/
     
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    Only for those incapable of a sliver of critical thought . . . so . . . basically most Holocaust denialists.
     
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    It saddens me that your functional illiteracy leads you to this conclusion.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    When will you denounce and renounce the hateful Talmud? If you don't want to do that maybe you will denounce and renounce Theodor Herzl's The Jewish State?
     
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    Please don't let him bully you. He doesn't know anything about the Talmud. While parts of it reflect a very old mindset that's no longer useful today and traditions long gone, the Talmud allows for such a wide variety of interpretations and opinions that it's impossible to judge it by some quotes taken out of context, most of which are either willfully distorted or false.

    In order to understand the Talmud, one needs to know how rabbis - past and present - understand the Talmud, not a nobody with a grudge on a forum.
     
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    Critical thinking is refusing to automatically believe that rooms with glass windows and flimsy, unsealed wooden doors were used as homicidal gas chambers just because agents of the Holocaust Industry - Lobby claim they were.

    Do you really believe that actual homicidal gas chambers would have glass windows and flimsy, unsealed wooden doors just because a sign or tour guide claims that room was used as a homicidal gas chamber?
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Critical thinking is also recognizing the fact that the Holocaust Industry has no credibility:


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    Of course not, thats why we have the world renowned rabbi Pisa and rabbi Yardmeat to pontificate for us!
    Yes we fully understand that J-Ws promote J-W LIES for every occasion!
    This may be true in so far as Jews are concerned but notwithstanding the J-Ws of course.
    Of course world renowned rabbi Pisa and world renowned rabbi Yardmeat will happily pontificate todays political spin for us!

    One thing you never do in this world is tell a J-W they did not make their Sacrificial Holocaust Offering to their G-D, the intended genocide of all Germans in the Gernan nation in which they almost succeeded, doing so by completely flushing the geneva convention down he crapper, and targeting German civilian residential areas of no military value what so ever, then putting their victims on a show trial, and absolved of all their own war crimes. We have all the records proving the case.


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    The J-Ws proudly brag about their holocaust passing laws that their ritual be passed on on from generation to generation to insure the lies survive by throwing people in jail if the criticize the J-W, all the while the Jews on the other hand hang their heads in shame.
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    On the other hand here are real 'Jews' that according to rabbi Pisa and rabbi Yardmeat obviously are illiterate dont understand the first thing about the talmud, since they are after all protesting the counterfeit Zionist J-Ws and their israeli blood state.
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    Jews are great, its the J-Ws people learn to hate due to their assinine antisocial conduct and blood rites that they pretend do not exist in the public eye.

    Jews take responsibility for their actions, J-Ws on the other hand declare war on a country and starve them out then when they fight back and the J-W winds up with a hair out place they prosecute the surviving victims.

    Yes the holocaust is VERY REAL the J-Ws had their official burnt offering to their G-D with the slaughter of 6 million noncombatant civilian Germans when they targeted and torched all the major German cities in violation of the geneva convention and since none were prosecuted you can tell they are totally innocent of any wrong doing.

    Just ask our resident rabbis!​

     
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    I've already asked Koko for his evidence that the windowed rooms he is showing were reportedly gas chambers and not just some other random rooms. He failed to provide any such information. The doors were, of course, sealed. Just because the doors NOW being used for the tourist sites are flimsy, wooden doors doesn't mean that is what they were at the time they were in use. Seeing as the doors sealed from the outside, couldn't be opened from the inside, and still have cyanide residue on the walls, and seeing as we have eye witnesses who have testified to this effect, yes, they were gas chambers. I don't go with a sign or a tour guide. I go with actual homework. Now, feel free to copy/paste whatever it is the neo-Nazi blogs have as canned responses for these facts.
     
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    Again, I don't denounce books I haven't read, just like anyone with two brain cells to rub together is capable of realizing that not denouncing something and approving of it are not the same thing. I don't denounce books I haven't read and I don't approve of them either. It's called intellectual honesty.

    Meanwhile, I've repeatedly criticized the Hebrew scriptures and I've criticized Israel. But don't let a silly thing like facts get in the way. Stuff like that leads people to acknowledge historical facts. Scary.
     
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    What you mean a super educated holocaust expert like yourself didnt recognize it first off? SERIOUSLY?
    Since you are asking to be educated the last one was Majanek,
    Hey it says so right in the title damn whoda thunk it?
    Brilliant catch!
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    False
    WHAT???
    Please post your citation that all the gas chamber doors have been replaced.
    WOW another CLAIM WITH NO CITATION, thought you said you were educated on the camps?

    Please post your citation so we can believe you after the bullshit story you told us about the swimming pool..
    Only takes a few people to simultaneously ram the door and it will fly off the hinges, in fact one good kick is all it takes for the doors as shown since the doors were no positive lock to create a hermetical seal, yes they were flimsy, nothing that could even be used as a gas chamber door unless of course the J-Ws wanted to holocaust themselves? IS that what you are pointing to here?
    Sure many public buildings in germany had to be deloused, the residue however was totally insignificant, but I am sure you are going to pretend that 6 million Jews were gassed with residue so small it barely registered?
    What eye witnesses?
    Again NO Citations?

    I have posted eye witnesses that the EVIDENCE AND FACTS MATCH THEIR CLAIMS, you on the other hand claim as true witnesses that no facts no evidence.
    We need more from you than beer farts and belches to believe you.
    Please post citations hard evidence as I have provided.
    No one denies there were gas chambers, still trying to distort the truth I see.
    Please comprehend what people are saying THERE ARE NO HOMICIAL GAS CHAMBERS AND YOU HAVE NO MATERIAL EVIDENCE THEY EVER EXISTED.


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    The J-W Weasel LIED to invent the HOMICIDAL gas chamber

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    I know you run with what your grade school teacher said in primer school.
    I have not seen any evidence demonstrating that you have done any homework what so ever since everything you post could be picked from J-Wish operated MSM news. Sorry that cannot be counted as homework.
    We all believe you, really we do, so please feel free to continue posting more of the same beer farts and belches without citations.
     
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    Thank you so much for the joke of the day. It was hilarious. Now go read that garbage book that you love so much.
     
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    If you haven't read it why are you defending that garbage? All of the Israeli leaders have read every word of it and totally believe all of it and act on it every minute of their scummy lives. They aren't ashamed of it so why should you be? Just confess that you are an agent. If it is true you will still get your 2,800 Gentile slaves in the afterlife.
     
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    I, and others, have read those garbage books from start to finish and understand every word and idea expressed in them. If you haven't read them why are you defending the garbage written in them?

    No one is buying your line so just admit that you are an agent and we can move on to a new topic.
     
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    I have not defended a single line from either books. Please try being honest. No one is buying your attempts to misrepresent my posts. If you'd like to move on to another topic, well, you are the only one bringing up this one. The only thing required for us to move on would be for you to quit making this stuff up.
     
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    you defend tooth and nail the disgusting actions taken by the books believers in that religion, the proxies.
    There is no lie there, please try to refrain from the pretense.
    Are you kidding? You are the one who tried to pass off an olympic swimming pool built for the prioners as a freakn cistern, when the cisterns were located outside the camp walls LOL
    The only person I have seen making volumes of **** up is you! Now that your whole premise has been reduced to nothing more than name calling.

    We have the proof, its all a matter of record that the J-Ws conducted their sacrificial 'holocaust' ritual and roasted the german people as an offering to their G-D, starting with Dresden, and they sell the event with themselves as the victims, nice sleight of hand trick.
     
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    I wonder how much the English general got for committing the war crime against Dresden? Even the homicidal maniac Churchill got pissed off at that excessive slaughter and called it terrorism. That hurt the feelings of Air Chief Marshal Arthur Harris so Churchill had to kiss his butt and make up with the terrorist. It took the US 33 years to get its lie straight about the massive war crime it had participated in =
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II. So that is just one reason everyone sells the lie about the Nazi concentration camps. It keeps the heat off of their own atrocities.
     
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    I can't figure out why someone would hate an entire demographic of anybody. That's a bizarre concept to me.
     
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    "NEO NAZIS EVERYWHERE"


    It looks like @Kokomojojo has already refuted most of what you consider "evidence" that the room in the photo was ever a homicidal gas chamber so my question is why do you regard anyone who disagrees with you on the Holocaust legend as a "Neo Nazi" when far more people in the world reject the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) than believe it?

    I think that it is reasonable to assume that far more people reject the SHN but claimed to believe it to avoid being persecuted in many Western countries under "Holocaust denial laws". However, for the sake of simplicity, I'll just use the figures provided.

    There are about 7.7 billion people in the world and according to the ADL study I've already posted (1), about 1/2 of the world's population has never heard of the holocaust. Of those who have heard of the Holocaust, only about 1/3 believe the SHN (about 1.23 billion). That means that about 2.57 billion people have heard of the Holocaust but reject the SHN as fraudulent. Do you really believe that those 2.57 billion people are all neo Nazis simply because they reject the lies fabricated and relentlessly marketed by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry?

    Re:
    Please show where I or anyone else debunking the SHN has ever used source that supports Neo Nazism.




    (1)”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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