Are you terrified of Donald Trump?

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Are you terrified by Donald Trump?

  1. Yes, I think he will destroy the planet and all of us along with it

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  2. No, I agree with the OP that the media are imagining or overblowing any threat he presents

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  1. Le Chef

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    I started noticing a while back how often, how regularly, really, the news media is using the modifier "terrifying" or "terrified" to describe Trump's outrage of the day.

    Here are a few examples:

    1. " Absolutely terrified." (Why "absolutely"??:confusion:)
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...ans-are-absolutely-terrified-of-trump-861686/

    2. Trevor Noah "terrified" Trump response to virus
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/daily...h-is-terrified-by-trumps-coronavirus-response

    3.Trump's "terrifying" plan to poison the air and water
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/11/donald-trump-epa-public-health-science

    4. the State of the Union as a "terrifying" stunt!
    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-sotu-gameshow/

    5. "Terrifyingly" unprepared Trump:
    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/03/09/terrifying-trump/

    There are so many others to choose from-- trust me, or google them yourself -- that I wonder whether editors across the country have determined that putting "terrifying" in a headline makes the article more likely to be read. I'm not terrified; I'm not even apprehensive, not about Trump anyway. I think these people are neurotics who can't live with the fact that Trump doesn't want to hold their hands and be their mommy. Or they are lying to sell news articles. Can you imagine any member of the WW2 generation, man or woman, whining about being "terrified" of Trump?

    And ... are you terrified?
     
  2. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are not terrified of the 70 year old toddler, just the damage he is doing and that his base is applauding it
     
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    It's taken trump a while to do it but he now has a cabinet made up of people who definitely are terrified of him.
     
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    I suppose if we thought there might actually be a chance he does not get re elected then that would be terrifying indeed.
     
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    "Are you terrified of Donald Trump?"

    There is no reason to be terrified of him. He's a fine man. It's the Deep State you need to be terrified of. But hell ... it's always been the Deep State that's behind the world's terrifying events.
     
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    The only thing that terrifies me is that people take that Howdy Doody think-alike Trevor Noah seriously. The jerk is a comedian for Christ's sake ........ not the Messiah of world knowledge.
     
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    Comedians are jesters. It's their job to speak truth to power. Your President of Ukraine was a comedian, and you all think he's the Messiah. I'd vote for a Steven Colbert/Dennis Miller ticket in a minute but I don't think either of them wants to make the cut in pay.

    And that kind of thinking is the only thing more terrifying than Trump himself. I don't think that Trump, in the final analysis, takes himself all that seriously but his followers will plunge off the nearest cliff eagerly, and take us all with them, for our own good of course.
     
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    I’m terrified that there’s someone more successful than me out there!
     
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    "Terrified"? The only thing that terrifies me is a totally out-of-control klatsch of international central banks wrecking the economies of the world and putting us into a new-normal "1984-esque" slavery. Trump is nothing but a president... can't hold a candle to the power that a central bank like the Federal Reserve System combine holds.

    The "Fed" wipes its ass on presidents and actually either uses them, or, takes little notice of them. Remember both "W" Bush and "Messiah" Obama? The Fed used both of them as hand-puppets and house pets.... And Trump? He plays right into their hands by bitching endlessly for ZERO interest rates (again)....

    [​IMG]. "What d'ya want to SAVE money for...? Trust me -- put it all in the stock market!"
     
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    He is a fine man?
    Do fine men frequently have to shut down numerous organizations do to outright fraud, pay off strippers to not interfere in his political campaign or alert his third wife, or have to pay settlements because he attempted to misuse funds for veterans?

    America has lost it’s moral compass to the people screaming the other side was the one doing the damage.
    It seems projection and zero integrity is the ultimate weapon of the Republican party.
     
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    Yes, he is.

    I was born in 1947. I am a Vietnam War Veteran where at the age of 19 I not only fought and risked my life on a daily basis but I also learned about sex from prostitutes. It was during this time the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin was claimed and on the strength of that lie 20,000 tons of bombs were dropped on innocent men, women, and children of Hanoi. We went into Cambodia & Laos against international law and the TET Offensive gave us a taste of our own medicine for illegally invading their country. Shall I tell you about the Water Gate break-in and list all of the atrocities up to and after the lie of WMD's in Irak where a million innocent men, women and children were slaughtered? All of these things happened before Trump became president and anything he's done behind closed doors can never compare with any of that stuff.

    So it is your contention that this "loss of moral compass" came about in the last 4 years and it is the fault of Donald Trump and the Republican Party? Don't make me laugh. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
     
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    No, he isn’t

    Because maybe you or the people making the decisions at the time (boomers and the not silent enough silent generation) had no morals doesn’t mean the current president* does. Strange that the people screwing up the world then are the same ones screwing up the world now. Maybe earth will be better off once the last one takes their last breath?

    I never said it was the fault of trump — trump is the symptom, not the cause and the Republican party is absolutely to blame. Every item you listed above was due to “conservatives”.
     
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    ask me later.
     
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    It is clear that you do not know to what political parties those presidents were affiliated. I'll give you a hint: Both Democratic and Republican.
     
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    Trump is a moderate ... If your terrified of him then you should be on anti-psychotics
     
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    Of course not but the hyperbole is always entertaining.
     
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    He's a narcissist. People laugh at that, but it's a major personality disorder. If you've ever known a narcissist, then you know they leave a trail of destruction in their wake.
     
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    Their cliff is immensely better than the abyss Sanders supporters want.
     
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    Are you terrified of Donald Trump?
    No, I'm just simply worn out by him. He's too hostile, too divisive, too arrogant, too self-serving, too vindictive, too judgmental, & totally inept in his job. America can do better.
     
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    I agree with arrogant, self serving,
    vindictive,

    I think the hostility and divisiveness has come from his opponents not him.
    That said some hostility towards the far left is warranted Americans do not want far left polices like we were pursuing under Obama.

    I don't think he has been totally inept.
     
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    The fact that you're discriminating the various factors involved with Trump shows thoughtfulness. I respect that. But, as a liberal, I come at it from a different perspective.
    1. Good. . .common ground. :) These are NOT admirable qualities in anyone, especially a national leader.
    2. Perhaps I'm older than you, but I believe I have a pretty accurate handle on when all this divisiveness began. It was 1994, when Newt Gingrich became Speaker of the House. He had a divisive agenda, & took the Republican Party that way. It hasn't stopped since. After Obama's election, the white anger & hatred intensified, leading to the Tea Party antics of the 2010 election. Trump is simply the latest headliner of that continuing extremist agenda.
    3. I voted for Obama thinking, like you, that he was a leftist liberal. Once in office, he behaved like a moderate conservative. Obama was never far left. I wanted him to be, but he never was. That disappointed me some, but I voted for him because the alternative was an extremist Republican conservative, & that was much, much worse.
    4. Trump is not stupid, but he's an authoritarian who neither respects or understands the Constitution or the government it oversees. Trump is used to being the one & only boss. He's not used to working with others & doesn't understand how to include others or their input in with the decision making process. Our Constitutional government requires the participation of many. It's not designed for one man rule. But Trump often asserted his belief that "Only I can do it." Trump is a one man show. Americans have historically been opposed to authoritarians. I'm personally surprised to see them embrace Trump the way they do. I find myself at more extreme odds with my fellow Americans than I'm used to because of it. Trump is inept at sharing power, or respecting the knowledge &/or views of others. Trump is inept at working cohesively with others. Trump is incapable of being challenged & seeing that as a doorway to personal growth. To him, any challenge is interpreted as a personal assault on his manhood or his massive ego. Trump isn't inept because of something he did. Trump is inept because of who he is as a defective human being.
     
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    I disagree about Obama. He was very far left. His support for black lives matters, media matters and other far left groups was the nail in the democratic coffin for 2016.

    If i were going to pin a date on when the far left got a foothold in american divisiveness was during the Tet offensive in 1968, The media flat out lied about what occurred and from then on the far left became player in American politics and have been spreading lies since in order to change how Americans think in order to get what they want.

    I am not going to defend Trumps character however i will say I will defend our system and our system has done a great job of keeping his ignorance from causing any major problems.
    Same with Obama. I would love to see a limitation on executive orders though.

    I was very liberal for a long time, I was actively involved in the environmental years for a very long time, then i realized that environmental experts don't have much of a clue. I think that's the case for most experts. They are clueless for the most part.

    I agree i don't think Trump is stupid.but his areas of expertise are very limited and he doesn't like being told he is wrong. He submits to advise but holds a grudge against people who prove him wrong and he fires them.

    I don't understand his motivations for wanting to be president but i don't think it has to do with power. If anything he just wants to be able to brag to his buddies on the golf course after he's gone.. but that's speculation on my part.


    ok maybe i just rambled more than i addressed your points :)
     
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    I guess your views on Obama's left/right position depends on from where you view it. From my "strongly progressive" position politically, Obama seems moderate but slightly on the conservative side. I recently watched a Frontline program, broadcast in January of 2020 (I think), that showed one of Obama's chief advisers in the White House refer to Obama as a "conservative" privately. When I heard that, I felt confirmed. I don't dispute your feelings about Obama as seen from your very different political position personally. That's a good example of how two people can honestly see very different realities, based on their personal life experience. That helps me understand the wide range of variability possible on any topic or issue on any given day. Multiply that by the total population for a better view. It's almost beyond comprehension.

    I hadn't considered anything going back so far as the Lyndon Johnson years as the turning point for the liberal press, but that makes sense, since Johnson was a liberal President. But I still see the turning point for the conservatives in 1994, with Newt Gingrich. It wasn't just conservative. It was the beginning of the uncompromising, extremist conservatives. And that's just gotten more & more extreme since.

    I didn't realize you had a liberal background. Sorry it soured you. I'm sure you had to deal with some jerks in the liberal realm. I have. But I've learned there are jerks in every realm. They're impossible to avoid completely, no matter what activity you might be involved with at any given point in your life. I too attempted a period of activism in the environmental movement for awhile. I too bumped into some environmental jerks & became disillusioned. I too left the movement, though I still support it in less activist ways from the sidelines. I don't think we can allow the jerks to mold our decisions or force our paths. We need to do that for ourselves. But that's a lesson that can take a lifetime to learn--maybe several lifetimes.

    I agree with your commentary at the end of your post regarding Trump. I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone. But I don't regard him as good material to serve as our President or our chief ambassador to the rest of the world. I could accept almost any Republican as a better alternative than Trump, but I'd admit difficulties with some others too, like Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, Mike Pence, or several others of similar character. But there are Republicans who I strongly disagree with politically, but who I respect morally, ethically, & personally, like Jeff Flake, Mitt Romney, Michael Steele, and a handful of others. I'm not anti-conservative, but I'm intensely uncomfortable with the current trend for conservative Trump-Republicans to be so combative, uncompromising, judgmental & self-righteous. As a liberal Democrat, I expect to be regarded as an opponent by them, but not as an enemy. I'm an American just like them, with all the same dedication for our Constitution, our government, our country, our history, our heritage, our people, & our ways of life as them, even if my perspective differs in places. I'm not their enemy. I'm their neighbor & fellow citizen. And, I feel I have equal rights to have things done my way on occasion, without being regarded as a traitor.

    Sorry. I guess I did a bit of rambling here on my own. Thank you for your interesting post. I enjoyed it, along with your openness. :)
     
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    I agree with a lot of what you say.

    I was one of those liberal jerks.. I thought my anger and my correctness about specific environmental issues was justification for telling people how they ought to live and run their businesses. In short i got what i wanted and it didn't fix the problem and now things are worse than ever.
    Then I realized i hated being told what to do. Something i try very hard not to anymore.

    I am becoming much more for individual freedom.

    I may think it's stupid to smoke pot and legalization isca bad idea but it's also none of my business. I am actually quite conflicted on a number of issues.

    On here however i argue from more ideological perspective so that we van debate the core of issues instead of peripheral issues.

    I guess my world view is largely conservative both economic and social.

    I think history proves that conservative economics perform better for the greatest number of people.
    I think the key to making everyone happy socially going forward is to live and let live.
    Politically i think gridlock is the best we can hope for. I don't want the dnc or the gop setting the agenda. Things are good as they are currently, leave them alone.
     
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    NO, Because the Checks and balance still works, partisanship is quite healthy within US politics but patriotism and love of their very own country is very much alive within the other two branches of the government.


    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...-passes-measure-curbing-presidents-ability-to
     

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