Trump: It's Going to Be Fine and We're Cutting Entitlements

My friend,

Not a Trump voter you are, so find for me nothing you can

 

The average person gets MORE from S.S. than they pay in and MUCH more in Medicare. That's why these programs are going broke. People are living a lot longer and are utilizing a lot more medical resources to keep themselves alive. Nothing wrong with that.

But good luck running on cutting these programs in an age of massive income inequality. And Trump is backpedaling already. But that's not the real stupid thing he said. The real stupid thing has been continually downplaying this virus. Man, is that going to haunt him in the coming months. What we've seen now is just the tip of the iceberg. Mass school/college closures are coming soon. Bank on it.

 

That is not mathematically possible.
People are not living longer. You don't know how long people live until they die and those living longer grew up before processed food and pharm products were a main part of the diet. As of now, 1/3 of Americans are diabetic or pre-diabetic and are not expected to live as long. When you think of it, entitlements are already being cut by subsidizing corn sugar and pills.

 

I don't have to look it up. They aren't entitlements no matter what the press wants to call them.

Well said.

 

The recipients pay what the government tells them to pay throughout their career. The recipients do not manage the program. This is an unintended consequence but certainly one that any fool could see coming. But the recipients aren't at fault and the government has to deliver what it promised.

Many people, including me, think the panic about the virus is far more dangerous than the virus itself. Trump has a responsibility to "downplay" it in order to try to reduce the panic. He hasn't said anything that is wrong. He simply chose the bottle-half-full approach.

 

They are not entitlements. Calling them that is inappropriate. Unemployment insurance is paid by employers, not workers.

 

Oh no darling, thats not how cuts happen.
You get zero. I hope you get what the right is desperately pleading for!

 

Actually, Social Security is a Trust Fund. And each working taxpayer has his/her own individual, personal account!

Create your own private access to your account and see what you have EARNED as a result of your mandatory contributions, and your employers' contributions to this system: https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/

And don't ever let some slimy bastard of any faction or political party try to take away what you legitimately have coming to YOU!

. "No sweat... they're all too stupid to figure it out...."

 

But you aren’t only entitled to what is in your “account”

 

? I tracked my benefit for two years before I finally retired and began collecting my Social Security benefit. Everything has been correct to the penny. Is there more...?

The Federal Government sure as hell wasn't shy about TAKING my payroll money all those years, so I wouldn't be shy about taking more, either, if I'm truly eligible for it and deserve it. You have the floor, and my ears are wide-open!

 

So when your “account” runs out do you stop getting a chekc?

 

The White House found the talking point.

Kellyanne Conway said Trump was talking about cutting the deficit. Not entitlements.

He took a question explicitly about cutting entitlements, responding by saying yes we will be cutting, and was implicitly switched to talking about cutting the deficit.


Just a **** show.

 

Medicaid. Which I don't mind considering illegals are the #1 abusers. But till birthright citizenship is ended the taxpayers will be footing the bill for the millions of anchor babies and their mothers.

 

Then the federal government wasn't very smart for having started a program that was unsustainable.

When you say that the average person gets more than they paid in, is that just looking at dollars, or is that accounting for inflation?
Is that accounting for the money that was paid in on the employees behalf by the employer? It would certainly be acceptable to expect that amount to be included since it is a cost associated with each employee.
Also, what would have happened if that money would have been invested, with a modest return of say, 5% over those years, and adjusted for inflation?

 

So...medical services for the poor.

Good on ya.

 

Trump has even doubled Obama on spending

 

Trump gets an F
In budget control

 

So you are placing your faith and trust in well known liars and criminals who have BETRAYED hardworking Americans for DECADES now?

It is going to be a very sad day when I am forced to say that I told you so!

And it is probably going to be far sooner than you realize, Cy!

The criminal IMPOTUS lacks the guile to hide what is actually happening behind closed doors and you are going to see your SS checks REDUCED and those funds disappearing into the GREED OBSESSED wallets of the Wall Street Casino Banksters. The most likely timing will be in the lame duck session immediately after the election.

Your SS is just far too tempting a target for them to allow you to keep for much longer. If you recall they first tried to steal from you back under the Bush/Cheney regime. They have subsequently NULLIFIED the Rule of Law and packed the SCrOTUS so there is NOTHING to stop them any longer. The loyal criminal IMPOTUS supporters will continue to vote AGAINST their own best interests and cheer while our nation descends into impoverished 3rd world status.

Putin will be overjoyed and probably give the criminal IMPOTUS a gold plated Dacha with his own personal golf course as a reward.

 

The GOP and the criminal IMPOTUS are going to REDUCE your SS benefits that you receive from that SS trust fund to a mere PITTANCE!

That is what this is actually all about. You are only "entitled" to whatever pitifully few dollars they are prepared to allow you to have, Cy!

In essence it is a trust fund in name only because you have zero control over what they are going to deign to allow you to have.

Your Wall Street Casino Lords and Masters don't give a crap about you or anyone else for that matter. All they care about is enriching themselves at YOUR expense.

Voting for the GOP and the criminal IMPOTUS is like chickens voting for the Colonel!

 

Your first paragraph is 100 percent correct, that’s why reforms are needed to fix and protect the programs. Dems unwillingness to do that is a direct threat to them and to Americans using them and paying into it

 

The normal shock horror headline "Medicaid and Social security to be cut", but no specifics.
Trump knows there would be an outcry if he tried across the board cuts, so I believe he will restrict who can get Social Security or Medicaid as these programs eat up 40% of the Federal budget.
I think the first thing to go will be benefits to "Qualified aliens"
https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-eligibility-ussi.htm
And then he will stop nonsense like this.
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/su...d-must-cover-womens-sex-reassignment-surgery/

 

My only reply, Te, is that if anybody in any political party tries to steal or diminish by even ONE PENNY what retirees have EARNED for their Social Security benefit, I'll never, ever vote for anyone in that political party again!

No 'whitewash' from me... It was Reagan's horrible idea to TAX Social Security benefits! Plus, I remember years later, "W" Bush was trying to 'privatize' Social Security... and how badly that flopped.

But I also remember when liberal Democrats weakened and sapped this workers' trust fund by allowing the government to "borrow" from it (leaving 'IOU's' in the 'lock box'), and, worse, to allow more and more people to get payments out of Social Security who had never worked a day in their lives or contributed anything! And it was under Democrats that the numbers of people on "Disability" suddenly and mysteriously skyrocketed -- right after their über-generous, multi-year unemployment benefits finally ran out after 'the Great Recession' was over....

So, are we to think Democrats administer Social Security in a more fair, reasonable way? During Comrade Obama's eight-year regime, Social Security recipients didn't even get one single cost-of-living increase in benefits for THREE YEARS! Why not? Because the Federal Reserve combine didn't think there had been any inflation -- even though the cost of houses, rents, utilities, automobiles, medicine, medical procedures, etc., went up dramatically (and the almighty-god stock market was soaring). Obama did NOTHING but just play his nauseating 'house-pet' role of being a 'go-along-get-along' hand puppet for the Federal Reserve -- obediently staying far away from anything having to do with the REAL economy... and that included Social Security!

Conclusion: I distrust everyone in all political parties when it comes to MONEY and BENEFITS that retirees have EARNED by being forced to 'contribute' to those government programs. Remember the old phrase, "Money talks, and bullshit walks!"...? One last time, then, any politician of any political party who tries to cheat people out of EARNED benefits is going to commit political suicide... period!

 

They're all mostly liars, thieves, and corrupt, hypocritical bastards, Te. Haven't you figured that out by now...? And it's true of both Democrats AND Republicans (which is why I'm an "unaffiliated" voter today).

But they'd all better be careful how they navigate their corruption around 70,000,000 Baby Boomers, Te. We are notorious for VOTING every chance we get, and we were the last fairly well-educated generation this country produced.... We got harsh lessons in just how rotten, corrupt, and totally unfair politicians can be way back during the Vietnam War, and we never forgot it. It was horrible and disheartening, but those were lessons well-learned!

 

While I agree with a great deal of what you have posted, Cy, I feel the need to set the record straight on one of your allegations above.

As someone who was a business partner when the GOP wrecked the economy in 2008 we struggled to remain afloat and ultimately were forced to accept that it was going to take much longer to recover than we could afford to carry the load. Since we were self employed we did not receive any unemployment benefits and were forced to take whatever was available at a fraction of what we were previously earning. One of my partners died and another had health problems that made him unemployable. So he applied for disability and it was granted and he then went to Florida since that was all he could afford.

So when I see you denigrating those who ended up on disability following the Great Recession I have to take issue with you. Some of them never received any of those "über-generous, multi-year unemployment benefits" and others were FORCED to accept disability because their only other option was to starve to death or commit suicide.

And no, we were not the exceptions either. My ex-partner had to go through a series of screening processes before he was accepted onto the program. While that dragged on for over two years he was forced to take all kinds of part time jobs that further worsened his health. Had he been denied disability he would have died.

While there might be some who do not deserve to be on disability they are few and far between. To disparage those on disability because of a handful of those who slip through the cracks is demeaning and degrading. The majority of them would PREFER to work just like those who were receiving UI benefits. They were NOT responsible for the GREED OBSESSED Wall Street Casino Banksters and their lickspittle minions in the GOP WRECKING the economy and wiping out their jobs.

Feel free to rant and rail at Obama and the Dems all you like but you are only harming yourself when you denigrate the unfortunate VICTIMS of the Republican 2008 Economic Collapse.

 

I wish that I could agree with you, Cy, but when I see so many of our fellow Boomers supporting the criminal IMPOTUS and the devious GOP I have to come to the conclusion that yes, you can fool some of the people ALL OF THE TIME!

Just read the posts in this thread supporting what the criminal IMPOTUS intends to do to their SS and Medicare. Do they even understand that they are voting AGAINST their own best interests the way you and I do?

It doesn't matter how often we vote if half of us are DUPED into voting for two faced scum suckers who intend to do exactly what their Wall Street Casino Lords and Masters order them to do? Yes, that applies to the Establishment Dem scum suckers too.

Seems to me that some lessons are NEVER LEARNED because some are incapable of grasping the REALITY of what is happening.

The Millennials OUTVOTED us Boomers in 2018 and they are going to do it again in 2020 which is just as well because a majority of them are Progressives.